Can't get the staff -

[observer]

Seems small tech firms are struggling to get skilled EU migrants to fill job vacancies, so are trying to get recruits from the rest of the world. Alas, a shortage of visas is causing problems. According to CH4 news tonight, an Asian, who had studied in the UK to qualify, couldn't reach the income target to qualify for employment.  So we have to ask, if he studied for his skills set in the UK, why weren't there a classfull of indigenous British students in the same class getting qualified for the same job ?     

[Evil Sid]

don't know if it is a touch of sunstroke or just too early in the day for my brain, but i am struggling to follow this one obs.

1. are these tech firms in the uk or elswhere?

2. if uk why are they specifically looking for eu migrants as oppose to local workers?

3. what has income got to do with qualifying for a job?  the reason for getting a job is to get an income. (Is minimum wage not enough income to qualify?)

about the only reason i could possibly cite for there not being a class full of "indigenous british" is the expectation that they can get an easy living by get on by being "discovered" by the likes of simon cowell.

 

[observer]

1. They were small computer development firms in the UK.  2. Because the assumption is that there are no qualified indigenous Brits.  3.  In order to get a work visa. they have to exceed potential earnings targets, which vary according to demand, which local firms say they can't afford.   The bottom line is, that such employers (incl the NHS), are too tight and too lazy to recruit and train indigenous staff, and prefer to denude other countries of these skills by buying off the shelf.  Add to this, your last paragraph, and we have the source of the problem. 

[Davy51]

No doubt these firms are also hoping to pay substandard wages or there wouldn't be a problem.

[observer]

Maybe, but they won't pay for indigenous education and training.  imo, employers should be at the forefront of our education system, setting curriculum priorities for our national economic requirements.  

[Evil Sid]

problem is obs that what is needed today may not be needed in three or four years so that crop of school leavers would have skills but no where to use them.

[observer]

Education and training is a lifetime endeavour Sid, employers and employees are going to have to stay ahead of the curve in technical innovation in a competitive world.  Much is being made of the threat of robotics, and how they will put our youngsters out of work;  so perhaps we should be the ones making the robots, ahead of the rest ?   

[Davy51]

British  working class society has been pushed on the scrap heap  for getting on for 40 years. Every government has dodged the issue of rising unemployment & the need to get people back into work & contributing to the national purse. One of the biggest scams, in the name of reducing dole figures, has been to move people off job seekers  & onto another benefit ,whether long term sickness or 16 hours a week work + top  up benefits. The short sightedness  of all recent governments has left a massive hole in the skills market & an idle workforce that is unemployable while leaving a wide open door for employers to bring labour in from abroad at lower rates.

[P J]

I never know how to take this lot??? with the exception of Sid.

 

[observer]

So - don't bother then !    

[Confused52]

The threshold for jobs not at senior level with at least 5 years experience is £35000. Most jobs for new graduates will not be paying this and so there is a shortage which non-EU immigration cannot fill. The point is that the UK students in the class took the lower salary or a different job altogether. The different job altogether option was also available to the CH4 subject but not the lower salary. This threshold is there to reduce immigration and the complaint is seemingly about the policy working. The firm is moaning about not getting EU workers who aren't subject to the threshold and there are many more of those from places like Romania who can get a better deal doing outsourcing work at home where their cost are lower and their standard of living is better than they could afford here. Just the usual race to th bottom by employers.

 

[observer]

Evidently so Con;  a similar report on CH4 tonight, complained of two "highly skilled" (a term reiterated throughout the piece) Pakistani men, were given notice to leave the UK by the Home Office.   A criteria for such action, is evidently "criminal activity";  CH4 didn't explore this in detail, but it seems that, in order to secure higher levels of earnings they inflated their earnings level on their CVs, but were then caught out by HMRC when they tried to amend their tax returns.  So, after repeating their "highly skilled status" several times, the reporter mentioned that one had been working as an "events manager", whilst the other was a " compliance manager";  so not exactly rocket scientists then.  Just another example of the fake news being churned out by our liberal media, in attacking, what they call, our hostile environment. Of course it's hostile, it needs to be, if HMG are going to exercise any control over immigration.   

[P J]

10 hours ago, observer said:

So - don't bother then !    

its so hard to choose between grilled pineapple or fried egg lol

 

[Evil Sid]

No it's not PJ fried egg every time.

[asperity]

Has to be the fried egg every time. Grilled pineapple? An abomination!