Sheila_P Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 It has been very hard to not comment during the trial but today I can say that I am so happy that justice has been done. The poor girl suffered from people trying to mix other cultures with our own. Such a bright and pretty girl had her life taken away from her, for wanting to be like her friends. RIP, Shafilea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 Wonder what the liberal luvvie multi-culturalists have to say about it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 Wonder what the liberal luvvie multi-culturalists have to say about it? He will let you know when he comes on. The heartless, soul-less excuses for parents should die in prison, or, better still, very soon after their release as the old, decrepit things they will be by then. Just so they can have a little taste of the freedom they denied themselves in the name of honour, then die the horrific kind of death their beautiful daughter suffered at their hands. There is no honour in honour killings. Just shame on the parent/s who committ them. May they rot in hell! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grey_man Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 Obs. I dunno. What do the EDL have to say about Fred and Rose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted August 4, 2012 Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 Well, if you get your grey matter into gear, you'll note they claimed a religious/cultural rational for their deed - so stop the usual pinko pidgeon hole tactics for folk with the common sense to expect integration, rather than seperate development. :roll: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted August 4, 2012 Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 No they didn't Obs, they said they did not commit the crime, they pleaded not guilty It was the news papers that you don't read that introduced that element Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted August 4, 2012 Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 How many more times do you need telling - I don't read "views"papers. Shafilea clearly wanted to integrate and pursue the lifestyle (can't really call it a culture) of her friends; which meant dressing in western clothes, eventually marrying the man of HER choice etc. This wasn't accepted by her dominating parents clinging to a perverse cultural attitude inherited from Pakistan. So clearly, they wern't prepared to adapt and integrate into the host society; which the multi-culturalists have not only accepted but encouraged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted August 4, 2012 Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 No he didn't Obs the media are saying that, he denied the murder , that's all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted August 4, 2012 Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 You obviously havn't had access to the evidence presented by the prosecution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted August 4, 2012 Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 Obs, they both denied the murder, All the information about cultural differences ect comes from the judge summing up and the media, and is and remains speculation, the parents gave no evidence other than denying the murder, and then the Mother changed her statement to blame the Father, Evidence was heard that stated she wanted a more western life style, we can speculate that was the course of her being killed, but unless the parents are honest enough to come out and say that is why they killed her it will remain speculation. a bit like Shipman, We will never know why he did it , but it has not stopped the speculation has it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grey_man Posted August 4, 2012 Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 Well, if you get your grey matter into gear, you'll note they claimed a religious/cultural rational for their deed - so stop the usual pinko pidgeon hole tactics for folk with the common sense to expect integration, rather than seperate development. :roll: Obs. The point is that the idea of multiculturalism works pretty well on the whole. So this case tells us no more about multiculturalism than that bad people do bad things. And when religion his involved, bad people can do even worse things and sometimes good people do bad things. Incidentally, Fred West had cultural conditioning that made him think not only that it was normal to have sex with your own children but that it was the father's duty to take the virginity of his daughters. What does that tell us about the UK's white population? Nothing. I agree that there is an issue with some people not wishing to integrate with local cultural norms, but the fact that these two were prepared to kill their own daughter tells us nothing more than that. You're dragging the principle of multiculturalism into it because you want to, not because it's relevant. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted August 4, 2012 Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 Very well said gray_man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted August 4, 2012 Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 I don’t think there’s going to be many in the Pakistani community that that are going to show anything but contempt for what these people did. The man was a murderer and a hard faced liar and that sets him aside from mainstream society irrespective of ethnic origins. I’m just glad that the judge saw fit to hand out a suitable punishment. Bill 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted August 4, 2012 Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 Completely agree Bill!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted August 4, 2012 Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 Obs, they both denied the murder, All the information about cultural differences ect comes from the judge summing up and the media, and is and remains speculation, the parents gave no evidence other than denying the murder, and then the Mother changed her statement to blame the Father, Evidence was heard that stated she wanted a more western life style, we can speculate that was the course of her being killed, but unless the parents are honest enough to come out and say that is why they killed her it will remain speculation. a bit like Shipman, We will never know why he did it , but it has not stopped the speculation has it. Beggin' pardon sir, but, the parents did give evidence, or they took the stand to answer questions. But beggin' pardon again sir, It don't take but three brain cells to put two and two together and arrive at four. Or are you sayin they never did drug her and take her to Pakistan and that she didn't drink bleach to kill herself because they intended to marry her off there and she wasn't in agreement with that? You sayin that the excuse of a mother didnt change her statement and say it was her husband what did it? Are you saying that he didn't tell the court that his missus was off her head? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted August 4, 2012 Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 The pinkos are obviously in denial Cleo (perhaps they should drink it!); the prosecution evidence was given in court, with evidence accumulated over a nine year period; the Judge summed up that evidence, and both the jury and the media who reported the (public) trial, came to a conclusion that some of us arrived at nine years ago. Guilty of murder, motivated by an archaic cultural belief system. If we take it at it's least offensive, wearing western clothes, errm why not - when in Rome etc. Clearly Shafilea was integrating into the host community, unfortunately her parents wouldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grey_man Posted August 4, 2012 Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 That may well be true but you cannot draw any conclusions about multiculturalism based on these scumbags. Unless of course you think that it works the other way as well. Do you? What do the actions of paedophile priests tell us about white middle aged Christians? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted August 4, 2012 Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 I thought they denied drugging her, And the drugging if it took place Cleo was never proved, it remains an allegation. Yes they did take her to Pakistan. The only thing proven in court was that they killed her. People from Western cultures occasionally kill their child or children, when they do it there is no come back of their culture, And as far as I know it is not part of Muslim religion to condone or support honour killing or any killings. I find it odd when a muslim kills their offspring it reflects badly on their whole religion. Sadly a child dies every week in the UK at the hands of a parent or gaurdian, Why is Obs not Obsessing about child killing in general. And all these child killings, what does that say about our society in general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted August 4, 2012 Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 The pinkos are obviously in denial Cleo (perhaps they should drink it!); the prosecution evidence was given in court, with evidence accumulated over a nine year period; the Judge summed up that evidence, and both the jury and the media who reported the (public) trial, came to a conclusion that some of us arrived at nine years ago. Guilty of murder, motivated by an archaic cultural belief system. If we take it at it's least offensive, wearing western clothes, errm why not - when in Rome etc. Clearly Shafilea was integrating into the host community, unfortunately her parents wouldn't. Denial isn't a river in Egypt. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted August 4, 2012 Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 That may well be true but you cannot draw any conclusions about multiculturalism based on these scumbags. Unless of course you think that it works the other way as well. Do you? What do the actions of paedophile priests tell us about white middle aged Christians? Please do not bring paedophiles into the topic. That is clearly a different subject altogether. But as for multiculturalism, well this is a couple of people who stuck to their own culture and, it seems raised their kids in their own culture in a foreign country but at the same time taking from our culture whatever suited them. It's a known fact that many pakistani parents will take their nubile daughters back to their own country to marry them off, having promised to marry them off to somone elses son, when they come of the age, as soon as they are born. The fact that this couple drugged their daughter before flying her out to pakistan would be enough to demonstrate to anyone that they did so with the intent of fulfilling a promise to marry her off to someone's son but they knew she would object and refuse to go and maybe even make a scene at the airport to attract the attention of the police because she had no wish to marry and live in pakistan but wished to remain in warrington and live a western life. Why else would she attempt suicide in pakistan if they had not informed her that she was to marry someone she did not know and was to stay there with him? Why would she attempt suicide if she was happy? Which clearly she wasn't. All part of THEIR culture, not a multiculture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted August 4, 2012 Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 I thought they denied drugging her, And the drugging if it took place Cleo was never proved, it remains an allegation. Yes they did take her to Pakistan. The only thing proven in court was that they killed her. People from Western cultures occasionally kill their child or children, when they do it there is no come back of their culture, And as far as I know it is not part of Muslim religion to condone or support honour killing or any killings. I find it odd when a muslim kills their offspring it reflects badly on their whole religion. Sadly a child dies every week in the UK at the hands of a parent or gaurdian, Why is Obs not Obsessing about child killing in general. And all these child killings, what does that say about our society in general. Lt Kije, they denied murdering her too! Now, please do not bring islam into this because I can tell you here and now that, here at least, nobody is forced to marry anyone they do not like in the name of Islam. The murder of Shafilea was nothing to do with religion. It was all about her supposedly bringing shame upon her family. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted August 4, 2012 Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 Without going into graphic detail; their are other "cultural" practises being imported into the UK by some immigrants; which while being accepted in their country of origin are illegal in this country. Now, are we saying that in the name of multi-culturalism we should accept such primitive and barbarous practises? When in Rome etc - it seems quite reasonable to expect adaptation and assimilation into the cultural norms of the host society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grey_man Posted August 4, 2012 Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 Good job Mo Farah didn't apply the cultural norms of the England football team? Is that what you mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted August 4, 2012 Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 As I said earlier a child dies every week in England and Wales, killed any a parent or Gaurdian Obs, You pick on ONE murder, and say multi culturism is failing, Of the children that die Obs, the majority of children that die are white is multiculturalism to blame for those deaths too. Or is it you will take any mud you can get to throw at muliculturism as you do not like it along with immigration. You must be desperate!!!, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted August 5, 2012 Report Share Posted August 5, 2012 ' Desperate' is the wrong word Loo. There are two required for accuracy, one ends 'ist' and the other 'ot'. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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