Cleopatra Posted June 2, 2012 Report Share Posted June 2, 2012 Hosni Mubarak has been found guilty and sentenced to life in prison! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted June 2, 2012 Report Share Posted June 2, 2012 Who's Hosni Mubarak ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted June 2, 2012 Report Share Posted June 2, 2012 Seems democracy has left a bit of a quandry: an old regime re-tread or the hounds of Allah. Guess it's not perfect then! :wink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Tessla Posted June 2, 2012 Report Share Posted June 2, 2012 I was flickng around the news channels when the sentencing was going ahead. the majority had a live feed of the court - the BBC was showing footage of commemmorative royal plates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted June 2, 2012 Report Share Posted June 2, 2012 From one dictatorship to another.....  Mubarek who looked after himself and his cronies for decades will be replaced by either a) another dictatorship of the same type which will tell everyone how to live their lives or a muslim dictatorship which will tell everyone how to live their lives  same old same old Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted June 2, 2012 Report Share Posted June 2, 2012 I think sadly you are right Baz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted June 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2012 There will be no dictatorship. The people have awakened and realised their power. They will never tolerate another dictatorship, and that includes the Muslim Brotherhood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted June 2, 2012 Report Share Posted June 2, 2012 I hope you are right Cleo. And I also hope that one day Britain will become a democracy again. <_< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted June 2, 2012 Report Share Posted June 2, 2012 I to hope you are right Cleo, I disagree with Asp about the Uk not being a democracy, Probably like Asp, I do not like our current regime, but because we live in a democracy I will wait and vote accordingly next election. That's the problem with democracy's their will always be a proportion of the population that end up with a government they don't like, the trick is not to turn to violence if you don't like who's in, I really hope your country is successful in its change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted June 2, 2012 Report Share Posted June 2, 2012 I fear Cleo, you are wrong about muslim dictatorships.... every country where Islam is the predominant religion is under the grip of their 10th century values of male dominance and brutal laws....  The last time I was in Egypt there were only 2 women that we saw working: one in the airport and one in the Hard Rock Cafe in sharm..... room cleaners were all men, bar staff, Policemen, taxi drivers.... even in the hotel, there were NO women workers and this was in a touristy area where you would expect to have tens of thousands of foreign female visitors  It felt totally alien and total uncomfortable to be honest and totally at odds with what we are brought up to expect in the UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted June 2, 2012 Report Share Posted June 2, 2012 Unfortunately, secular Dictatorships have provided (until now), a degree of stability in an unstable area of the world. We can see from Libya and Syria the results of freedom and democracy = sectarian civil war. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted June 2, 2012 Report Share Posted June 2, 2012 Well put Obs, completely agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted June 2, 2012 Report Share Posted June 2, 2012 When I say we don't have a democracy in Britain I mean that we have a democratic dictatorship. I.E. the leader of the party with the greatest support at the election becomes a dictator for a period of 5 years until another one is elected instead. The electorate doesn't really have any way of opposing any policy the dictator wants to impose during his term. This is undemocratic in that it isn't rule by the people by any stretch of the imagination. And now that most of the law making is handed down to us by the unelected PTB in Brussels all our home grown dictator has left is pettifogging legislation about our lifestyles :evil: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted June 2, 2012 Report Share Posted June 2, 2012 Any democracy the party would be in power for a set time, I don't know any democracy where everything the government do has to be put to the people within that time, you vote for them and they do things in your name, how else could it work, they could not possibly ask the people everything the legislated, all though with this lot it would be nice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted June 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2012 I fear Cleo, you are wrong about muslim dictatorships.... every country where Islam is the predominant religion is under the grip of their 10th century values of male dominance and brutal laws....  The last time I was in Egypt there were only 2 women that we saw working: one in the airport and one in the Hard Rock Cafe in sharm..... room cleaners were all men, bar staff, Policemen, taxi drivers.... even in the hotel, there were NO women workers and this was in a touristy area where you would expect to have tens of thousands of foreign female visitors  It felt totally alien and total uncomfortable to be honest and totally at odds with what we are brought up to expect in the UK  Well all I can say to you is that there are many female workers in Egypt. You may not have seen them but it doesnt mean they are not there. A lot of women work in shops - I know they do because I have seen them - and they work in supermarkets, from shelf stacking to checkout tills - I know they do because I have seen them. In the British Consulate and embassies and in the Egyptian passports and immigration offices - I know they do because I have seen them. There are a few women working on the customs checkpoints in Cairo Airport - I know there are because I have seen them and one of the buggers once took some packets of juice from my bag, saying they were not permitted even though I was previously able to take some through, no problem. There are women working behind the scenes in offices. There are women working as solicitors or solicitors' secretaries - I know there are because I have seen them. There are women working as doctors and nurses or hospital receptionists - I know they do because I have seen them. There are women working as dental assistants - I know they do because I have seen them. There are many women working in the media, tv and newspapers - I know they do because I have seen them. There are women working in a friend's textile factory - I know they do because I have seen them. There were women working in my husband's business - I know they did because I saw them. I could go on but I thnk I have already stated enough examples of women in employment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted June 2, 2012 Report Share Posted June 2, 2012 Cleo.... Â there were NO women working in the hotel reception.... I know because I didn't see them. Â there were NO women working in the Airport.... I know because I didn't see them. Â there were NO women working in the bars around Sharm el Sheikh.... I know because I didn't see them. Â there were NO women driving taxis around Sharm el Sheikh.... I know because I didn't see them. Â there were NO women working in the bars around Sharm el Sheikh.... I know because I didn't see them. Â there were NO women working in the hotel bar.... I know because I didn't see them. Â there were NO women working in the hotel restaraunt.... I know because I didn't see them. Â I could go on, but I have already stated enough examples of places where women don't work in a country dominated by men and religion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted June 2, 2012 Report Share Posted June 2, 2012 'Now you see me, now you don't First you do but then you won't Watch me vanish right before your eyes You might think you see me there In a cafe on a street somewhere Yeah, that might be me but I'll be gone Now you see me, now you don't' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boris1066 Posted June 2, 2012 Report Share Posted June 2, 2012 Unfortunately, secular Dictatorships have provided (until now), a degree of stability in an unstable area of the world. We can see from Libya and Syria the results of freedom and democracy = sectarian civil war. :( Â You omitted The Birth of the Arab Spring, Tunisia. Reports from there say that what were Western norms are already coming under pressure from Islam. This is puttin pressure on the tourist industry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted June 2, 2012 Report Share Posted June 2, 2012 Sorry Boris; a similar position applies throughout the M/East and wider afield; peoples, with no culture of secular democracy, have suddenly sprung into action to demand freedom, and released anarchy; reverting to sectarian or tribal origins . It rather makes the N/Ireland "troubles" appear a normal condition of humanity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted June 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2012 Cleo....  there were NO women working in the hotel reception.... I know because I didn't see them.  there were NO women working in the Airport.... I know because I didn't see them.  there were NO women working in the bars around Sharm el Sheikh.... I know because I didn't see them.  there were NO women driving taxis around Sharm el Sheikh.... I know because I didn't see them.  there were NO women working in the bars around Sharm el Sheikh.... I know because I didn't see them.  there were NO women working in the hotel bar.... I know because I didn't see them.  there were NO women working in the hotel restaraunt.... I know because I didn't see them.  I could go on, but I have already stated enough examples of places where women don't work in a country dominated by men and religion   I don't care what you didn't see in a 14 day visit. I live here and see, every day, women in employment. You will be saying next that girls do not get an education and that women have to walk 5 steps behind their husbands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted June 3, 2012 Report Share Posted June 3, 2012 You will be saying next that girls do not get an education and that women have to walk 5 steps behind their husbands. When I was in Egypt, the men use to walk 10 paces behind their wives........... but I think that was because of the danger of land mines. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted June 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2012 Hoooooooooooooooooooooooowl! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevofaz25 Posted June 3, 2012 Report Share Posted June 3, 2012 Cleo....  there were NO women working in the hotel reception.... I know because I didn't see them.  there were NO women working in the Airport.... I know because I didn't see them.  there were NO women working in the bars around Sharm el Sheikh.... I know because I didn't see them.  there were NO women driving taxis around Sharm el Sheikh.... I know because I didn't see them.  there were NO women working in the bars around Sharm el Sheikh.... I know because I didn't see them.  there were NO women working in the hotel bar.... I know because I didn't see them.  there were NO women working in the hotel restaraunt.... I know because I didn't see them.  I could go on, but I have already stated enough examples of places where women don't work in a country dominated by men and religion   Probably best we don't go there until they do.. can't have it both ways Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted June 3, 2012 Report Share Posted June 3, 2012 I don't care what you didn't see in a 14 day visit. I live here and see, every day, women in employment. You will be saying next that girls do not get an education and that women have to walk 5 steps behind their husbands. Â maybe All the women had gone on holidays abroad with their girlfriends like western women do thus leaving the men at home to do all the work then for the time I was there!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted June 3, 2012 Report Share Posted June 3, 2012 Have to say Baz, when I was in Sharm, all the hotel waiters were male, even the cleaners. Perhaps their women folk were at home getting the dinner on and looking after the kids?! :wink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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