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Not quite Pierre; the present second chamber only has powers of delay, not veto; which is why most Commons MPs won't like an elected Lords, as election would give it more legitimacy, and consequent calls for more powers. However, Westminister was happy to impose Executive Committees on Local Councils, but appear not to want a seperate Executive Chamber themselves. If power is to be redistributed, it has to come from somewhere, and those that currently have it, arn't likely to give it up easily. :wink:

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It would be good if the Lords could have some independents in it, And getting rid of the last hereditary peers still in their also be good, given that all political parties want reform I don't think their is need for a referendum, and any questions in a referendum would be limited.

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Don't think the present political class want real reform, 80% elected is frankly nonesense in this day and age. Simples - 100 seats (not the 450 being recomended), decided on the basis of the direct proportion of votes for each party at a General Election; the majority (which would probably be a coalition) form the Executive (the Government). This of course would reverse the current relationship between Commons and Lords (Senate), which is why the Commons wouldn't wear it. :wink:

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Personally, I'm not a fan of hereditary peerages, but then neither am I a fan of the idea of Lords campaigning for re-election, or to retain a seat after an election - with all the back room deals and secret agreements that naturally brings with it.

 

I do, however, like the concept of life peers drawn from the all walks of life. A group of individuals with no particular party affiliation, no need to suck up to the government to ensure they keep their jobs, and the ability to take a longer view of what is in the best interests of the country than just the 5 years max until the next general election.

 

I also quite like the fact that their powers are broadly limited to powers of delay rather than veto. A popular government - one which the electorate have given a large majority in the Commons - should be able to carry out its programme of legislation without being overly inconvenienced by a second chamber, the ability of the Commons to over-rule the Lords provides for this. A marginal, or even minority, government would be much more reluctant to force a show-down with the Lords over issues which are not well supported.

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A popular government - one which the electorate have given a large majority in the Commons - should be able to carry out its programme of legislation without being overly inconvenienced by a second chamber,

 

oohhh remember what happened when Bliar had that power????

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The electorate deserve exactly the governments they get.

 

WE gave him and his cronies the power - on more than one occasion. WE are responsible for the results.

 

A second chamber based on the results of the most recent General Election would have been nothing more than a rubber stamp to give him legitimacy.

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That applies across the full range of options. :wink: But by a clear seperation of the Executive - the Legislature and Judicery; each one serves to counter-balance the others, thus making corruption more difficult. EG. Why do we have a Minister of Government (a politician) making a quasi-judicial decision on B-Sky Bs bid for a monopoly - wouldn't an independent judge be more reliable? :wink:

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Where are you going to find an "independent" judge?

 

Everyone has pre-existing opinions and biases. We don't get any say in who becomes a judge and we don't get the option of sacking judges every 5 years if they've made poor decisions, they don't even have a mandatory retirement age, we're stuck with the bumbling old fools until THEY decide to step off the gravy train.

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