observer Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 The famously used defence by Nazis at the Nurembourg trials was " I was only obeying orders", but it proved insufficient to prevent them being hanged. Now the latest revelations about the UKBA, aside from the arguements about under funding and under manning; where staff were instructed to relax their scrutiny of folk entering the UK, poses a question - should you do your job as per the book and ignore improper orders from your senior managers OR should you just do what you are told? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Good question - most of us want to keep our jobs, so probably what the boss says - unless you have a good HR that you can go to and it won't boomerang back at you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Perhaps in the extenuating circumstances such as those that the Border Control employees were being asked to carry out their duties and knowing that they were blatantly breaching serious regulations, they would have been morally correct in leaking details to the press while still retaining there anonymity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 That would appear to be the least line of resistance Alg, but the problem is, the damage will have been done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sha Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 As Algy says they carried out their duties knowing that they were blatantly breaching serious regulations. The effect of this being that it is possible, in fact very likely, that terrorists have entered the country. I don't think there can be any excuse for them having stood back and let this happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 Thought Alg suggested they should "leak it" anonamously? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 It will be interesting now that the head honcho has jacked the job in and is telling a different story to May. Â There are lies, and there are "damned lies" Nothing so amusing as a politician crying "I know nothing". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 Insufficient funding and Staff - so looks like it's down to the politicians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 When you are balancing the books, is it cheaper to pay the extra for adequate staffing levels, or pay for the crime, court cases etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 Never cast a cloud, till May is out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Never cast a cloud, till May is out! "ne'er cast a clout til May be out". Advice not to change from winter clothes to summer clothes until June, as there is often a sudden cold snap in May. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Ee, Algy lad, I haven't changed from summer clothes to winter clothes yet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 considering it is in the 80's where you are cleo; I would hope you haven't!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 considering it is in the 80's where you are cleo; I would hope you haven't!! Â Only 77F today. rising to 78F tomorrow. Can't beat it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 I think Peters first post says it all, they will be throwing stones at each other for the next six months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 I think that obs was referring to the MP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.