observer Posted March 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 Agreed; but 24/7 drinking, was like letting the mad dogs out of the kennel - and we told 'em at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 You don't hear many (any?) politicians defending it anymore!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inky pete Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 IMO alcohol should only be served in Pubs and clubs. So where would anyone then buy a bottle of wine for at home, or a nice single malt to sample occasionally? I know, France. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 No, at the local "out door", most of which used to be integral to the pub - no probs, it's just like a shop - but ain't a s/market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 IMO alcohol should only be served in Pubs and clubs. So where would anyone then buy a bottle of wine for at home, or a nice single malt to sample occasionally? I know, France. Which is interesting, since the average bottle of wine costs about ?1.50 there....and they don't seem to have a binge drinking problem....until the British arrive for their Summer holidays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 The British seem to have an historic genetic predisposition to binge drinking; so until that can be eliminated, restrictions to access need to be applied. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 As long as it is encouraged by the government (24 hr) and the drink (cheap) industry. it WON'T change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Again ivory tower politicians with no insight as to life on the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 Just to widen this bit, Why should I a responsible drinker have to pay more or have my drinking curtailed by pub drinking hours because of a mindless minority Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonzodog Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 The British seem to have an historic genetic predisposition to binge drinking; so until that can be eliminated, restrictions to access need to be applied. It seems to me that people & the media are jumping on the activity of "binge" drinking (whatever that is suposed to be?) rather than the anti-social activities of a few mindless morons out to cause trouble. As one of my mates frequently says, there were about 8 of us, every Friday & Saturday night supping between 10 & 20 pints each; we never once got into a fight, or got spoken to by the police or vandalised anything. In my experience the people who cause bother after they've had a few are the same ones who cause bother before they've had a few; there are simply less curtailments on their behaviour in the city centres at night. What has happened over the past 20 years is that we have town & city centres increacingly devoted to late night drinking so all the trouble makers come together. The days of "local" being the centre of 16 to 30 year old's evening activity, with the occassional trip to the town / city centre has gone. You want to reclaim the centres at night - you arrest those causing bother & put them in jail for 10 years, simple! Otherwise don't bother & give up trying! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 Just to widen this bit, Why should I a responsible drinker have to pay more or have my drinking curtailed by pub drinking hours because of a mindless minority Just to widen this bit more, Why should I; a responsible British Taxpayer have to pay more to fund poorer European states or have my freedoms and liberties curtailed by unelected Eurocrats because of a mindless minority? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 And to widen it a bit more I should my family suffer because some people drive around in 3.5 liter cars denying global warming, Two can play at that game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 I don't deny global warming I deny that me driving big cars has anything to do with enhancing it. Look, if global warming was as easy to get rid of as you people seem to think it is, ALL scientists would agree. ALL governments would BAN cars of over 1 litre immediately, regardless of the impact and thus solve the problem They won't be so radical because they realise that once they do something like that and nothing actually changes with the warming cycle, they will have been found out and their tax cow would come to an immediate end. And my car by the way (actually 3.2 litre) has emissions on a par with a 2.0 litre diesel Mondeo) so not as bad as some!! I bet you either ride a bike or drive one of them Prius things? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 All good points Baz, Power Stations are a bigger problem than cars, I can not see them shutting Fiddlers Ferry next week, I hope not any way as I am working there at the moment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 I worked there once; under the big central chimmney (In the days when I had a proper job!) dirty horrible place Whenever I go past, I always remember the caravan they had on the front when there was a picket line out there!! Thats why there is all that undulating concrete on either side of the main entrance; to stop them doing it again.... just never got changed after all these years!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted August 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Interesting prog on binge drinking tonight: seems prior to going out round Town on Fri/Sat; the young folk visit the s/market for their bottles of cheap vodka in order to "pre-load" - so cheap booze appears to be a factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Again I am a responsible drinker why should I have to pay more because of a minority Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Again I am a responsible drinker why should I have to pay more because of a minority You make a very valid, fair and reasonable point, however majorities always suffer the consequences of the behaviour of the minority. And until our society effectively prosecutes and punishes those minorities, the innocent majorities will always end up being "persecuted" in one way or another. All rather depressing I'm afraid, as was the documentary Observer referred to in an earlier post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted August 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Smoking causes cancer = high taxes and bans. Now we know binge drinking causes cancer and sirosis, Town Centre and domestic violence resulting in (other folks ) death, and fatal traffic accidents; it also overloads the time and energy of our emergency services. SO, responsible drinkers unfortunately will have to join the queue with responsible smokers - and pay more! Cos, if you think about it; your paying more anyway, in taxes, to fund the response to this mayhem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Whilst agreeing with most of the above I would nit pick on the definition, you don't need to be a binge drinker to commit a crime, you only need a drink. Binge drinking is just a relatively recent label for someone being "in his cups", it is not new it is just seen as more newsworthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 To much sun can cause cancer,will we be putting an additional tax on holidays in the sun. Where will it stop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted August 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 Don't give 'em more ideas Kyje - sun-tan centres next! But, by the same logic, it follows that life-style choices the results of which, impose additional burdens on the NHS and other public services and ultimately fall on the tax-payer, should be paid in part by those who indulge in the causitive factors. Something I don't think we would ever consider prior to the economic collapse, but such things will no doubt start finding their way into public debate, as future Government focuses on more taxation and/or cuts in services. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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