indy Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 following further intensive reseach including aerial survey I have discovered new archaeological features in the area of Warburton that may reveal a new phase in the history of the area.... They would explain many of the prehistoric finds I have been making.... Photo one : a series of three ring features. Photo two : Main ring showing entrance. Please feel free to comment... serious comments only please.. [ 06.05.2007, 22:52: Message edited by: indiana James ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavyG Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 looks like grass to me :confused: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy Posted May 6, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 That is the difference between a trained eye !!! Anyone can see the circular features within the crop . The surrounding fields are producing neolithic and early bronze age artefacts circa 4000bc to 2000bc. Passed the photos to three indepenent people today and said nothing... They all picked out the circular features that are in excess of 50 metres across TMM and Lost Treasure I am sure you can both see this [ 06.05.2007, 22:56: Message edited by: indiana James ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonymaillman Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 Good pics James ......... look like barrow remains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goonerman Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 Those circular things look extremely interesting, to say the least, but also, note the ancient grid feature in the grass, also worth serious investigation, what can I say, except possibilities, DISTINCT possibilities! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 One of the many things I regret about not living on the island of my birth is not being able to visit & experience the abundance of historic sites. The photos featured in this post do seem to indicate archaeological features beneath the surface. Fascinating! Sure over here the aboriginal culture stretches back about 50,000 years - but the remnants of their ancient rock art is generally located in remote places, and as for their ancient dwellings, well, bark huts don't last long do they. Other than that, we've only got european history dating from 1788 (i.e. the first settlement in Sydney). My message is: enjoy it and revel in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonymaillman Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 Also a distinctive 'path' leading from one of the circles. Three circles in close formation ........ maybe linked to the very popular 'triple spiral' pattern very commonly used from the bronze age. Usually indicative of birth, life and re-birth. Quite significant to have three such large 'features' so close together. What bronze age or iron age finds have come from this location ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenD Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 I spoke to someone about this this afternoon, and he told me that he had spoken to you James about these rings last year, and we were both sure that these rings have been listed in the ads nmr since at least 2004. and been visible on google maps system to anyone who used the ads system since they started their beta of the included google map Be aware though that the nmr google map location is not accurate, they have a history of mapping their co ordinates miles out from the actual location of the item (a good example of this is our local Castle Hill mound, which although listed in the ads system is supposed to be located somewhere in the middle of Rob Lane, off Newton le Willows High Strret.) The ads nmr record for these markings shows them to be in the 'unmarked' ploughed field a field adjacent to the actual marks which you have shown, but knowing that they normally manage to bugger up the shown map shouldnt stop anyone finding this set of marks, below and to the left of the link http://ads.ahds.ac.uk/catalogue/search/fr.cfm?M=1&RCN=NMR_NATINV-890887 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy Posted May 7, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 Thanks for that Steve, the surrounding fields have brought up hundreds of worked flint implements over the past few years of my field walking the site. Other fields have produced Bronze age metalwork as well ( The Warburton Axe ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonymaillman Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 Highly detailed reply I see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy Posted May 7, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 Tony, the surrounding fields have produced flint arrowheads, scrapers, borers and various other flint implements. All the artefacts that I have recovered have been recorded by the Portable antiquities scheme including the bronze diminutive axe dated to 1700BC and of the Willerby type, similar to examples recovered from Bush Barrow. The flints were examined by Phil Harding and he was happy that they were a mix of Neolithic and Bronze Age in date... These are just a small fraction of flint work that I have recovered to date.. I do already have full permission to continue researching and field walking the site later this year. [ 07.05.2007, 19:51: Message edited by: indiana James ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonymaillman Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 Thanks James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy Posted May 8, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2007 TMM, been walking that site since 2001!! all the surrounding fields are producing evidence and are not listed on the NMR.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonymaillman Posted May 8, 2007 Report Share Posted May 8, 2007 So the surrounding fields are not listed but that one is ?? you say that you did the aerial survey to capture these images ?? [ 08.05.2007, 10:21: Message edited by: tonymailman ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucille Posted May 8, 2007 Report Share Posted May 8, 2007 That flint all looks plough struck - none of it is in tool form at all... You should submit it to the SMR and NMR and see what qualified archae's think... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucille Posted May 8, 2007 Report Share Posted May 8, 2007 Tools don't get made out of Chert when there is high quality flint available in the same local area -it doens't make sense, it's a seriously inferior material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucille Posted May 8, 2007 Report Share Posted May 8, 2007 it also doesn't make sense to use Chert for tools when high grade flint is around - it's a v poor substitute (unless you're in Jordan, where it's exceptionally good) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucille Posted May 8, 2007 Report Share Posted May 8, 2007 ha, obviously two replies unnecessary there - computer is playing up and behaving in it's own time warp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted May 8, 2007 Report Share Posted May 8, 2007 I thought that the people of Nottingham were always in a time warp. As for the flints, I don't think they had Lab Analysis back in those days. Peter. PS. Put your spoon away, it's NOT helpful. Admin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucille Posted May 8, 2007 Report Share Posted May 8, 2007 you're right, no labs, but if you try and chop a tree down with a chert axe, you'll find it in smithereens before too long. flint will serve you much better. Also, trying to make a tool, particularly a fine one like an arrow head, out of chert is really hard because it fractures to hell and breaks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonymaillman Posted May 8, 2007 Report Share Posted May 8, 2007 Actually Peter they are logical replies and you seem to underestimate the intelligence of people of those periods in roughly saying they couldn't have known any better than use what they did ......... quite wrong actually black flint is the superior one, and if needs must then use the next grade possible, although chert does actually crumble and shatter quickly some of the flints in the pic just look like flakes from possible knapping, only the last piece shows any real signs of being knapped with the pressure flaking marks. [ 08.05.2007, 11:14: Message edited by: tonymailman ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy Posted May 8, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2007 There are many worked flint tools that have been picked up including scrapers, arrow heads, knives etc that I have not uploaded on here as they need photographing. There are birding arrowheads and larger ones also. Many of the flint blades have been re-touched and show secondary flaking having taken place. One field alone produced over 300 examples. As I say the best ones have all been recorded by The portable antiquities scheme. The rest which are debotage and waste have also been noted. I have also collected many microliths (Neolithic) from the fields. As I said Phil Harding looked at many of these examples while he was at warburton. Regarding the chert artefacts, many are poorly worked and may have been used purely as practise pieces. I agree that chert is a poor material... I recovered a piece of yorkshire wold flint the size of a football that has been clearly used to break off pieces in preparation for producing implements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonymaillman Posted May 8, 2007 Report Share Posted May 8, 2007 James ..... as you know I make arrows I'm always interested to see flint finds, any chance of pics being uploaded of the ones you have found ? ever come across any stone knapped implements ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucille Posted May 8, 2007 Report Share Posted May 8, 2007 Thanks TMM for the non-blinkered reply Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy Posted May 8, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2007 Yes Tony, I will upload some images for you this evening!! and some nicely worked implements including a flint knife..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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