Observer II Posted December 17, 2023 Report Share Posted December 17, 2023 As the West run out of weapons to bolster Ukraine's war, there's talk in the MSM of NATO entering the fray. However, the reality we're not told about is the fact that the SAS, SBS and MI6 have been involved all along, hence the Kirch bridge bombings and sabotage inside Russia. Plus the use of senior staff officers in the Ukranian command centres. Britain is probably the worst example of these "boys own" antics, and will no doubt reap an appropriate response in due course, like the Salisbury chemical attack. 💀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted December 17, 2023 Report Share Posted December 17, 2023 This isn’t something that’s just started, and it’s no secret that we and other NATO countries have had people there since the beginning of the year. I doubt they’ll be directly involved in the fighting and more likely they’d be advisors and training specialist for the advanced weaponry and technology that we’ve supplied to them. Your beloved Russia does exactly the same in other conflicts, so why do you only focus on criticising the British? Bill 😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer II Posted December 17, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2023 Because HMG deny it, which means they are lying to us, and the MSM are complicit. Nothing new of course, as de-classified documents now reveal that Bliar lied to us over WMDs in Iraq, leading to hundreds of dead and maimed young Brit soldiers and over a million Iraqis. 😠 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted December 17, 2023 Report Share Posted December 17, 2023 Maybe you’ve heard something that I haven’t, but I wouldn’t expect any government to release military details during an armed conflict, but there’s a big difference between that and lying to us. As far as the media goes, I’m sure they wouldn’t be quite so tight lipped about the situation if there was any certainty, but it seems the only details come from edited third hand social media reports of allegedly leaked documents via a gaming website. That might be enough proof for you, but these days the media has to tread a bit more carefully when it comes to printing or broadcasting unverifiable stories. Bill 😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer II Posted December 17, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2023 The media has peddled a consistently false narrative throughout, and now the truth is becoming evident, they are reluctantly conceding a Ukrainian defeat. Joe Biden has sacrificed a Nation in getting at Russia, over 400,000 young men thrown away. 😠 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted December 17, 2023 Report Share Posted December 17, 2023 Russia has a track record of destabilization of Countries before taking tracks of its land, It cannot be allowed to continue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer II Posted December 17, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2023 😄 And the USA didn't destabilise the Ukraine by engineering a coup to replace the elected Government, which they then prevented from coming to a peace deal with Russia, by Joe sending Boris over to promise them the Earth if they opted for war. Talk about track records, the US has intervened in Libya, Syria, Kosovo, Iraq and Afghanistan, wrecking them, then pulling out, without winning. So sort your programming out and get real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confused52 Posted December 17, 2023 Report Share Posted December 17, 2023 49 minutes ago, Observer II said: 😄 And the USA didn't destabilise the Ukraine by engineering a coup to replace the elected Government, Well that was the only part of what you wrote which was true. Russia was trying to destabilise Ukraine and has carried on ever since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer II Posted December 17, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2023 Just how do you work that out ? 50% of the Ukrainian population were/are ethnic Russians, with a natural affinity to Russia as fellow Slavs. In the west, are Galicians, in the past part of Poland, and with a powerful Nazi cult of Banderas worshipers, who fought for the Germans in WW2, and assisted in the halocaust. These nazi miltias, assisted in the coup takeover, and now form the secret police, keeping reluctant soldiers at the front and rounding up young men and women to make up for losses. They've been sacrificed at the NeoCons obsession with wrecking Russia, which clearly hasn't worked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confused52 Posted December 17, 2023 Report Share Posted December 17, 2023 35 minutes ago, Observer II said: Just how do you work that out ? 50% of the Ukrainian population were/are ethnic Russians, with a natural affinity to Russia as fellow Slavs. In the west, are Galicians, in the past part of Poland, and with a powerful Nazi cult of Banderas worshipers, who fought for the Germans in WW2, and assisted in the halocaust. These nazi miltias, assisted in the coup takeover, and now form the secret police, keeping reluctant soldiers at the front and rounding up young men and women to make up for losses. They've been sacrificed at the NeoCons obsession with wrecking Russia, which clearly hasn't worked. Well the problem is that what you add is just the Russian interpretation. I have found no evidence of anything other than the WW2 stuff anywhere but in Russian propaganda, which you seem to lap up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer II Posted December 17, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2023 Not Russian propaganda, independent journalism from Alex Mecouris, Col Doug McGreggor, Scott Ritter, and umpteen ex-military and ex-CIA operatives, all giving an accurate analysis of affairs, unlike our citizenry spoon fed with propaganda. Well the propaganda is now wearing thin and reality is beginning to bite home. 😑 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confused52 Posted December 17, 2023 Report Share Posted December 17, 2023 15 minutes ago, Observer II said: Not Russian propaganda, independent journalism from Alex Mecouris, Col Doug McGreggor, Scott Ritter, and umpteen ex-military and ex-CIA operatives, all giving an accurate analysis of affairs, unlike our citizenry spoon fed with propaganda. Well the propaganda is now wearing thin and reality is beginning to bite home. 😑 No they are all paid by Russian media sources which I explained to you a very long time ago. They are NOT respected source in the real world, in the real media they are only quoted to provide a different view that is not to be taken seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer II Posted December 17, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2023 😄 Your as deluded as the rest of the NeoCons, surrounding Biden. Fact - Ukraine is losing, and will cease to exist within six months, the Russians will secure everything east of the Dnieper and the coast including Odessa. When they do, I just hope you have the decency to admit you were wrong all along. 😠 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confused52 Posted December 17, 2023 Report Share Posted December 17, 2023 21 minutes ago, Observer II said: 😄 Your as deluded as the rest of the NeoCons, surrounding Biden. Fact - Ukraine is losing, and will cease to exist within six months, the Russians will secure everything east of the Dnieper and the coast including Odessa. When they do, I just hope you have the decency to admit you were wrong all along. 😠 More subject switching. If Russia do win it won't change the fact that the people you mentioned are Russian shills and that you just believe the propaganda and that the USA did not stage a coup in Ukraine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer II Posted December 17, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2023 Well if they are "shills", there's a hell of a lot of them. From battle heroes like Col Doug McGreggor, to CIA veteran analists like Larry Johnson, to ex-Diplomats. All I get from these people is common sense, and objective analysis. They've been saying the same things for two years and been proven right in terms of outcomes. The only thing the West has been good at, is information warfare, which tends to lose it's shine as reality bites. 😑 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confused52 Posted December 17, 2023 Report Share Posted December 17, 2023 Don't confuse objective analysis with confirmation bias. Since you always need to have the last word don't confuse silence with agreement, it is just boredom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer II Posted December 17, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2023 😄 The only thing I know, is that your deluded and events will prove me right. 😑 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted December 31, 2023 Report Share Posted December 31, 2023 On 12/17/2023 at 6:07 PM, Observer II said: 😄 And the USA didn't destabilise the Ukraine by engineering a coup to replace the elected Government, which they then prevented from coming to a peace deal with Russia, by Joe sending Boris over to promise them the Earth if they opted for war. Talk about track records, the US has intervened in Libya, Syria, Kosovo, Iraq and Afghanistan, wrecking them, then pulling out, without winning. So sort your programming out and get real. Will you post some proof of America being behind a coup, should be good, I can debate with facts, and you can come back with YouTube, conspiracy crap!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer II Posted December 31, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2023 There are no such things as "facts" anymore, merely opinion, the West has conducted a rather successfull information war, but their facts appear to contradict the reality on the ground. 😑 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted December 31, 2023 Report Share Posted December 31, 2023 5 hours ago, Observer II said: There are no such things as "facts" anymore, merely opinion, the West has conducted a rather successfull information war, but their facts appear to contradict the reality on the ground. 😑 Facts may not exist in your Simon Webb-inspired world, but they do actually exist, that's your problem, you can't back up anything you say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer II Posted January 1 Author Report Share Posted January 1 Reality is what counts, we've been brainwashed over Ukraine for years and now realty is about to strike, and Ukraine will be utterly defeated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted January 2 Report Share Posted January 2 On 1/1/2024 at 1:00 AM, Observer II said: Reality is what counts, we've been brainwashed over Ukraine for years and now realty is about to strike, and Ukraine will be utterly defeated. Now knowing where you get your information, its you that has brain washed and you that swallows fake news and opinion has fact!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer II Posted January 2 Author Report Share Posted January 2 Well the results on the ground will confirm my assertions in due course - the Russians will defeat Ukraine, it will be lucky to exist as a Nation State, the current Nazified regime will be packing their bags and taking their aid money to their villas in Florida. 😑 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted January 2 Report Share Posted January 2 1 hour ago, Observer II said: Well the results on the ground will confirm my assertions in due course - the Russians will defeat Ukraine, it will be lucky to exist as a Nation State, the current Nazified regime will be packing their bags and taking their aid money to their villas in Florida. 😑 Oh dear, you have swallowed the Russian propaganda whole haven't you!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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