P J Posted June 2, 2008 Report Share Posted June 2, 2008 We have seen some horror stories regarding our politicians snuffling at the trough which is the public purse but Ladies and Gentlemen I think we have a new champion. Look here http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/conservative/2063070/Giles-Chichester-paid-andpound500%2C000-in-allowances-through-family-firm.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted June 2, 2008 Report Share Posted June 2, 2008 He should be made to pay every penny back (along with interest) that went into his OWN company and then get the boot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted June 2, 2008 Report Share Posted June 2, 2008 No doubt in 2 years time the British public will vote out a government who have proved to be a load of penny pinching, corrupt sleazebags and vote in .................... a load of penny pinching, corrupt sleazebags Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted June 2, 2008 Report Share Posted June 2, 2008 For some strange reason, cos one expects this sort of thing with Tories (it being the nature of the beast); it doesn't seem as bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted June 2, 2008 Report Share Posted June 2, 2008 Actually Observer, as a Tory, if true I'm disgusted by it and certainly don't expect it. I have no problems with people earning high salaries that are subject to PAYE etc and being paid legitimate expenses, but for those same people to be on the fiddle as well is a disgrace and they should be kicked out of their job and the Party. I understand the EU's accounts haven't been approved for the last ten or so years....says it all really I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted June 2, 2008 Report Share Posted June 2, 2008 Your no doubt the exception that proves the rule Paul; but for Tories greed and corruption are part of their DNA; the tragedy is the disease has spread to the other lot. As for the EU; believe your Party still supports it, despite it's intrinsic corruption. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted June 2, 2008 Report Share Posted June 2, 2008 I don't know about the disease spreading to Labour Obs, they have taken the mild form of the Tory germ and turned it into a full blown trough snuffling epidemic!! This government is worse by 10 fold what the previous Tory government were; partly because Bliar was elected on a so called mandate of anti sleaze and corruption. Most of the Labour lot now know that their time is up and they are looking at any way they can to get the last dregs from the trough before life on the dole (I can wish can't I??) As for this Tory, if it is true he should be jailed, regardless of how ever many times I hear the phrase "he/she hasn't broken any rules" They should be jailed and totally asset stripped into destitution so that the money can go back to the people where it belongs.... come the glorious day!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithR Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 No doubt in 2 years time the British public will vote out a government who have proved to be a load of penny pinching, corrupt sleazebags and vote in .................... a load of penny pinching, corrupt sleazebags 100% correct wolfie, ......... no difference between the lot of em. The only difference between the last 18 years of Tory rule and this bunch of Tory wannabees are peoples memories. One is fresh in the old memory banks and the other you have to dig deep for. Oh and the fact that a number of Tories were found out and thrown in prison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 Seems corruption is part and parcel of politics the world over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 Keith, probably the only reason half of this lot aren't in jail is because they have probably moved the goalposts so they are no longer "breaking any rules!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 "The rules" are designed by the very same politicians who circumvent them, hence they are extremely loose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithR Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 Keith, probably the only reason half of this lot aren't in jail is because they have probably moved the goalposts so they are no longer "breaking any rules!" Baz, I make no excuses for any of them. If the goalposts have now been moved one can only say that present day politicians must have looked back at the corruption of previous years and learnt from their mistakes. I am certainly not going to help vote back into power a party that in my opinion were/are no better than the present bunch. I have no doubt however that in 2 years time that is what will happen and possibly in 10-15 years time the reverse will happen and so we go on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 I am certainly not going to help vote back into power a party that in my opinion were/are no better than the present bunch. I have no doubt however that in 2 years time that is what will happen and possibly in 10-15 years time the reverse will happen and so we go on. That is all very well.... but please don't tell me you are thinking of voting for.............................THE LIBERAL DEMOCRATS!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted June 5, 2008 Report Share Posted June 5, 2008 Actually Observer, as a Tory, if true I'm disgusted by it and certainly don't expect it. I have no problems with people earning high salaries that are subject to PAYE etc and being paid legitimate expenses, but for those same people to be on the fiddle as well is a disgrace and they should be kicked out of their job and the Party. I understand the EU's accounts haven't been approved for the last ten or so years....says it all really I guess. The following headline from ConservativeHome "David Cameron ready to dump MEPs found guilty of expenses abuse" Guess Mr Cameron reads my posts. PS Second thoughts maybe best he doesn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted June 5, 2008 Report Share Posted June 5, 2008 Expense abuse is such a vague expression though isn't it? I personally would have issue with anyone on a salary of ?80,000.00 a year who can then claim over ?100,00.00 a year on top of that tax free! That isn't abuse, that is corrupt in everones eyes except the snufflers in Westminster and Brussels! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted June 5, 2008 Report Share Posted June 5, 2008 As Keith has already said............. there's no difference in any of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted June 5, 2008 Report Share Posted June 5, 2008 Paul, why doesn't Dave commit to tightening the rules, closing the loop holes and ending the "expenses" culture?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted June 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 Observer, He can't do that as even the people he sets to stop this embezzlement are crooked. See here http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article4083519.ece It would appear that after Conway,Chichester and Dover any tory who is named after a place name is not to be trusted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 Paul, why doesn't Dave commit to tightening the rules, closing the loop holes and ending the "expenses" culture?! Guess it is the age old problem of introducing change and "upsetting" vested interests. The big problem is the expenses paid for living in London for part of the week, clearly with the era of rapidly rising property prices, some MPs have, on paper, made considerable money through having taxpayer funded London homes. im think to partly solve that particular matter, tha when sold they should be subject to Capital Gains Tax....as indeed is normal for second homes that the general population might have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 Observer, He can't do that as even the people he sets to stop this embezzlement are crooked. See here http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article4083519.ece It would appear that after Conway,Chichester and Dover any tory who is named after a place name is not to be trusted Quickly looks through atlas. On the more serious point, I do despair at times. Actually Den Dover is a really nice chap and it is somewhat unfortunate that the arrangement he has for remunerating his Wife & Daughter, who do actually do work for him, looks to the outside world, dodgy. He was in Stockton Heath yesterday campaigning to protect a field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 So we pay these politicians 250k a year to protect a field? My god I'm in the wrong business Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted June 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 The Council in Warrington are fantastic at protecting fields Baz. What they do is allow developers to put huge industrial units on them which stops the fields from getting wet or mucky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 Ben Dover?! Surely he has to be a liberal with a name like that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted June 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 "the arrangement he has for remunerating his Wife & Daughter, who do actually do work for him, looks to the outside world, dodgy." When you consider that he paid them 3/4 of a million pounds no wonder he has been castigated. Were his wife and daughter the best candidates when he held interviews for this very well paid post funded by the public, or do you think that perhaps the nepotism stinks up the place. This man happens to be a Conservative but I am sure it goes right across the putrid midin that is the realm of British politicians at the moment. The public have had enough of the same old excuses for the increasingly huge and offenive abuses of the whole expenses system. Why on earth should I buy a house in London for any M.P who feels like owning one? The State should provide council type accomodation for these parasites as it may do them good to see how the other half live, and if they wish to upgrade their living accomodation it should be at their own expense. As for employing family as staff what a con this is proving to be. The whole integrity of politics is at an all time low and people should not have to put up with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 Seems the Germans are putting a resolution to the EU Parliament outlawing the employment of relatives by MEPs; seems the Brits are planning to vote against it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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