Immigration?

[observer]

Gypsies are not "a race", merely an ethnic sub group of Indo-European origin, denoted by their mobile lifestyles. In the case of "the Roma", they are either Bulgarian or Rumanian Nationals. Muslims are not "a race", but members of a religion; likewise Jews.

[Dizzy]

An actor, a songwiter, a west end star, he has an OBE blah blah blah so not what you'd class as being a current day 'gypsy' Lt....

 

Not forgetting that he himself said he felt that it was inappropriate for him to continue as Patron of Britain's National Gypsy Council because of his lifestyle.

 

Always good to be proud of your roots though eh

 

I recon if we all looked back on our ancestry tree most of us will be decendants of 'travellers' anyway

[Bazj]

I recon if we all looked back on our ancestry tree most of us will be decendants of 'travellers' anyway

 

Well to keep true to my roots Diz; I'm off to do some dodgy tarmac and fascia board jobs this morning and then this afternoon I'm going stealing!

 

Maybe Mr King should try it to get back to his traditional ways

[Lt Kije]

The point is, David Esssex considers himself a gypsy, A group that Baz has written off wholesale, without knowing anything about them besides what he has read in the press

[observer]

We're all descended from economic migrants Diz, who walked out of Africa to colonise the globe - trouble is, some are still at it.

[Bazj]

The point is, David Esssex considers himself a gypsy, A group that Baz has written off wholesale, without knowing anything about them besides what he has read in the press

 

and you are accepting them on what basis?

 

Kije, you are always quick to criticise people because of views they hold because of something they read in the press...... pray tell me how the hell we are supposed to gather information otherwise?

 

What makes the information you hold on things so bloody high and mighty? Have you been to the homeland of these pikeys to see how they live?

 

Of course not. You have the views you have because you are a doo gooder, a "love everyone and everyone will love me" attitude.... remember the fox and the snake story? eventually all these people you let in will turn against you because their traditions, lifestyle and religion are all contrary to what this country has developed over generations. They come here for one reason and one reason alone....... money; and if they can get free money or money which bears no tax, then all the better.

 

They do not come here to bring a joyous message of integration and sharing...... open your eyes man

[Dizzy]

We're all descended from economic migrants Diz, who walked out of Africa to colonise the globe - trouble is, some are still at it.

 

Indeed they are Obs... where as some of us have moved on and are more ape like now

[observer]

That's the result of PC liberalism!

[Lt Kije]

In case you had not noticed Baz, the press has an agenda, and you are one of its willing followers, Who take in everything they say and spit it out wholesale, I prefer to keep an open mind

[Bazj]

...........but where do you get your holier than thou information if you don't follow what goes on in the press? Or do you selectively judge which press bits you think are true?

[Lt Kije]

I do follow the press Baz, I take in to account what they say if it sparks an interest, I gather more information, and make my own decisions and opinions. If you read a right leaning paper you get a right leaning opinion, If you read a left leaning paper you get a left leaning opinion. But thats all they are opinions.

[Dizzy]

Where do you gather your extra information from after reading the papers Lt.....

[Lt Kije]

Depends, If I have a great interest the Libary is good, The internet can be very goood but stay away from wika, or talking to people. There are always two sides to a story.

[Bazj]

so where did you get the information that the Roma gypsies weren't; in the most part, thieves and scoundrels? because eveywhere I look, that is the impression I get.

 

Did you specifically go to the library to research this (and still manage to get a response in within a few minutes??)

[Lt Kije]

Ok Baz I will try to make it easy for you, What is the total population of Roma Gypys in the UK, Its easy to look up, Out of that population what is the percentage of them with a criminal conviction, for you to be right about them well over 50% would have to have a criminal conviction

[Bazj]

I wasn't talking about the UK Kije, the original thread was about the French having the right idea and kicking the thieving scum back to their own country.....

[Lt Kije]

Are you back tracking Baz

[Bazj]

Not at all.... I asked where you get your contrary information from and you started asking about the UK gypsies.

[Lt Kije]

I choose the UK as I thought it would be easier for you to look up, but if you want to do the French Roma so be it

[Bazj]

I did.... the overwhelming case is that they are a bunch of thieving , freeloading scum. Hence the reason Sarcastic is getting shut of them

[Lt Kije]

Prey tell where you got your info

[Bazj]

I already told you, I got my information from the express, the sun, the star, Sky news, the Mail etc. etc.

 

Where did you get your information from that tells you that they are not freeloading and thieveing scum, because every other news avenue says otherwise

[Dizzy]

Isn't it the same with all 'groups' of people. You get good ones and you get bad ones but only the BAD ones seem to find themselves in the news pages

[Lt Kije]

Well said Dizzy

[observer]

Not quite Diz; these groups are "bottom feeders", and as such, need to survive through scams or out of dust bins - there may be a load of home grown ones too, when the chavs get their benefits stopped.