observer Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 Thought the point of sending armed military personel into a warzone, was to kill the enemy? Having watched documentaries of WW2 fighting against the Japanese, no quarter was asked or given and very few prisoners taken. But it seems today's squaddies have to watch their backs, while fighting to their front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 They made a grave mistake, they filmed it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 This country never ceases to amaze me, the Taliban may carry out any barbaric treatment they wish against our lads when they take them prisoner yet we are bound by the rules of engagement and must treat these dogs with kid gloves, I'm sure many will disagree with me when I say the marine sergeant at worst should loose his stripes, to jail him is an insult to all those brave men and women who have given their lives over there. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 Either we have the Geneva Convention or we don't. Given that we do and that it is quite clearly unlawful to harm an injured captive in this way, let alone kill him, I don't see how anyone can object. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 We can all object if we want to. I certainly do..... the bloke was already as good as dead and just like a dying dog; they put it out of its misery.... he had been fired at with 136 30mm helicopter cannon shells and hit by a good number of them too from what I read...... Â The Marine should have got a promotion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 The Geneva Convention was in place during WW2; unfortunately the Japanese didn't sign it, and I don't think the Taliban have either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 I do not condone what he did, but I do not think he deserves life imprisonment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 The Geneva Convention was in place during WW2; unfortunately the Japanese didn't sign it, and I don't think the Taliban have either. No, but we did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 It takes a special type of man that can murder a badly injured enemy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 It takes a special type of man that can murder a badly injured enemy. Let us hope our armed forces have a lot more of them!. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 I hope not algy. Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 The objective of the Geneva Convention was to sanitize war, which itself is an oxymoron imo. The more horrible war is, the less inclined folk would be to engage in it - unless of course your a Labour PM, who's never worn a uniform. Big boys games, big boys rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 Hope your not suggesting that our PM's should all have been in the services before taking office Obs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 Actually, it might not be a bad idea. Mind you, most of them have never had a proper job at all, outside politics - unless they did a paper round ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 Obs  I agree that most have never had a proper job, but I dint think a job in the military will necessarily make for a better PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 Might remove their fascination with the "toy box" ! Mind you, with the Defence cuts, there aren't many toys to play with nowadays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 If you take the sentiment and obvious sensitivity of the timing of this situation out of the equation you really do have to question how a marine managed to get three stripes on his arm despite being stupid enough to execute an injured enemy prisoner whilst recording it all on camera. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve the Original Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 At the end of the day he was wrong but this isn't the answer,these guys see so much Horror and are so frustrated at not being able to retaliate but doing what he did was wrong...We are not Taliban and should not stoop down to their level no matter what..Do you know they can watch the Taliban planting IEDs and cant open fire on them unless they are are attacking or are an immediate danger to other Soldiers that's their rules of engagement.. you can see them planting IEDs and you know you cant do nothing to stop them and they know it as well...I think Dishonorable Discharge would of been enough... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 At the end of the day he was wrong but this isn't the answer,these guys see so much Horror and are so frustrated at not being able to retaliate but doing what he did was wrong...We are not Taliban and should not stoop down to their level no matter what.. Â Do you know they can watch the Taliban planting IEDs and cant open fire on them unless they are are attacking or are an immediate danger to other Soldiers that's their rules of engagement.. you can see them planting IEDs and you know you cant do nothing to stop them and they know it as well... Â I think Dishonorable Discharge would of been enough... Â Â I agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24888089 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve the Original Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 PJThe Top brass have to say that to save face and hopefully to deter anyone else doing anything like that in the future..but i would still hope that they do speak out even if its unofficial.. anyone who has been under fire will know your adrenalin goes sky high and over a long period of time it will no doubt cause you to make bad decisions.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 The Government are now desperate to recruit 30,000 wo/men for the Reserve; any youngster reading about this will be asking themselves - is it worth it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 In my opinion Steve is right, in a battlefield situation, where as he says the adrenalin is flowing far greater than any of us have ever experienced, this soldier who has been charged had probably been in a prolonged firefight and who knows perhaps lost mates or seen them crippled by an IED and when coming face to face with his enemy, the hatred that he was experiencing at that moment in time prompted him to carry out the execution, how many of us would have shown compassion to someone who we know would definitely not have shown compassion for our lads in the same situation and would more than likely have done far worse before executing them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 Algy and Steve, I am certain that all these factors will have been brought up in the trial and hopefully will be considered when sentencing the Marine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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