Bazj Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 it seems that despite all the denials to the contrary; immigration (Legal or otherwise) has had a marked effect on the population of England and Wales according to data released today from the Census last year. It shows that from March 2001 to March 2011, there were 6.6 million births and five million deaths in England and Wales, leading to an increase in the population of 1.6 million. The Office for National Statistics said this accounted for around 44% of the total increase in population size, with the remainder being due to migration Now seeing as the population as a whole was up by 3.7 million; that is a net migration icrease of 2.1 million in ten years...... it does not matter what race, colour, creed the immigrants are it is time to put a stop to it; Unpopular though it may be with some people on here Oh, and don't forget all the illegals too...... the true population is probably well over 60 million Some woman from the ONS says the census was a resounding success, well by law everyone should be counted, so why the happiness. But only 19 out of 20 people bothered to complete the census; which in my eyes is not a success, over 500.000 + failed to comply with the law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 Glad you raised this Baz, so Kije can't accuse me of OBsessing again! Believe he's happy to recomend birth control to third world countries to reduce population levels and the misery of starvation; but he doesn't seem to mind every one and his dog coming here to increase our population level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 it seems that despite all the denials to the contrary; immigration (Legal or otherwise) has had a marked effect on the population of England and Wales according to data released today from the Census last year. It shows that from March 2001 to March 2011, there were 6.6 million births and five million deaths in England and Wales, leading to an increase in the population of 1.6 million. The Office for National Statistics said this accounted for around 44% of the total increase in population size, with the remainder being due to migration Now seeing as the population as a whole was up by 3.7 million; that is a net migration icrease of 2.1 million in ten years...... it does not matter what race, colour, creed the immigrants are it is time to put a stop to it; Unpopular though it may be with some people on here Oh, and don't forget all the illegals too...... the true population is probably well over 60 million Some woman from the ONS says the census was a resounding success, well by law everyone should be counted, so why the happiness. But only 19 out of 20 people bothered to complete the census; which in my eyes is not a success, over 500.000 + failed to comply with the law. I COMPLETELY AGREE, BAZ. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 Ooh, look, another thread about immigruntz. Maybe there should be a special folder for them all. Well, seeing as most people on here think nobody should be cohabiting and breeding until they can afford to buy a house, perhaps we need more of these lovely people, eh? http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/wanted-more-immigrants-to-boost-british-economy-6271541.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 Clearly a Tory CONtradiction, shared by all the main Parties; the assumption that increased immigration is required to boost our economy, is clearly nonesense. Yes, specific skill sets may be required, which can be imported on a limited visa basis; but with over 2million unemployed, being given the required education and training, and instilled with a work ethic; plus plans to tie the wrinkles to the work bench till they drop; there would seem adequate scope for economic expansion. However, I suspect this is merely a ruse to excuse the fact that the Gov can't provide the legislation or resources to tackle border control; they are in fact making staff redundant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted July 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 Ooh, look, another thread about immigruntz. Why are there schools in England where there are up to 30 different languages spoken? Why are there so many strains on our public services? Why is there a shortage of low paid "starter" jobs for our kids .....fugtifino This country is a ticking timebomb. Water shortages, over burdened NHS, over capacity public transport, the census doesn't show any of that and more to the point it can't be that accurate either, the population must be 1 million more at least. we have the same population as France, a country three times bigger than UK.... the country is full; we cannot take any more!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RingoDave Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 I have to agree with all of this. As I approach retirement age, that age is being raised so that I may never actually get there. I am being told by much of the media that this is because of the increasing "older" population. As I see it, this is being balanced by the increasing younger population BUT many of these are not contributing towards the National Insurance scheme to the extent that many of us "older population" have done for the last 40+ years - mainly as they do not work. How many of these youngsters would have jobs if there were significantly less immigrant workers allowed into the country? I do not pretend to know the answer, but can't help wondering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 I'm with you there Dave (I'm 61 next month but don't expect retirement anytime soon!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 Dave Increasing young population? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 Baz Can you post a link to where you got your info, I have looked and cannot find anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted July 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 That is why you always ask for proof Kije..... because you must have a PC with a "truth blocker" on it.... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/9403215/Census-2011-population-surges-by-3.7-million-in-a-decade.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18838540 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2174300/Record-levels-immigration-lead-jam-packed-England-population-rockets-56m.html http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/census-2011-londons-population-booms-to-eight-million-7946191.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/census-reveals-biggest-surge-in-population-since-records-began-7946094.html take your pick from the nice broad spectrum above..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 So with the exception of Manchester, the population in the North West is decreasing, thats at odds with what Observer has been observing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 Are you simple or what?! The data shows an increase in England and Wales, of 3million over 10years, 50% of which is ascribed to net immigration, and btw this data only records those wishing to or being located to fill in the census form in the first place. I can't imagine any of the million plus illegals filling in a census form. Grabbing at straws won't save your arguement Kije. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 So with the exception of Manchester, the population in the North West is decreasing, thats at odds with what Observer has been observing The popluation of Warrington has INCREASED too Lt K. It is now 202,200 and is 5.8% higher than it was at the 2001 census. 96 per cent of Census forms were returned. "Nearly a quarter of the resident population is aged 0 to 19 years (slightly more than the national average" More here... http://www.warrington-worldwide.co.uk/articles/13614/1/Towns-population-tops-202000/Page1.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 The population of the North West has decreased Obs, with the exception of Greater Manchester. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 So the population of Warrington hasn't increased after all then Lt K (as another exception) or are you just ignoring me and the news page on here and giving Obs your full and undivided attention Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 Clearly, the facts have overwhelmed him Diz; and he's desperately clinging to a single straw about the N/West, as if it saves his case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 I wonder if Warrington comes under Manchester in the census, nothing about immigrant population in Warrington,, Warrington also bucks the trend when it comes to old people, we have not got as many. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 Just in case you hadn't noticed Kije; we live in the UK, which includes England & Wales; the population of which, has increased by over 3million. Just because you've found a couple of spare seats on the N/West side of the life boat, doesn't mean it's not overcrowded. Meanwhile, we've got a million plus "illegals", that will not have completed the census for obvious reasons, and the Gov havn't got a clue where they are and won't devote the resources to round them up in any case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 The population of the North West has decreased Obs, with the exception of Greater Manchester. Are you looking on the official ONS website Lt K and reading it properly. Their press release of 16 July 2012 states that The population of the North West on census day (27 March 2011) was 7.1 million, an increase of 4 per cent from 2001 when it was 6.7 million. The Office for National Statistics (ONS) published the first results from the 2011 Census today. The North West had the third largest population of any English region but had seen a decrease in its population between 1981 and 2001. However, the period from 2001 to 2011 saw population growth of 4 per cent – larger than in the North East but still less than the population growth in other English regions and Wales. maybe though it's just me reading it wrong but that does indicate to me that the the population of the North West HAS actually increased rather than decreased like you say. Just saying... that's all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 Warrington's actual population increase from the 2001 census results to 2011 census results shows an increase of 5.8% (roughly 11,000 people) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 It depends what colour your glasses are tinted I suppose :wink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 I have some black ones (sunglasses) and also some clear untinted ones which I'm supposed to wear for reading but I always forget and never have them with me. T'int(ernet) is a great thing though as you just zoom in and your pc monitor/browser remembers it and everything suddenly becomes much clearer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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