Peter T Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 That has always been an option. It depends whether people will work for it or not. A lot today want instant success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egbert Posted October 13, 2010 Report Share Posted October 13, 2010 Ah, Kije. The old dyslexia excuse. Not convinced about it myself. But even if it exists, you can usually tell a "dyslexia" spelling mistake - correct letters, wrong order. Yours don't look like that to me. You are right however about there not being too many self-made people about. That is because making yourself is hard work and most people don't even know what hard work is! Silverlady. You are right - "bright" is not the word I should have used. I think someone else had used it earlier in the thread so I just carried on with it. Drive is probably the right word - or will, as you suggested. I shall go away for three weeks and see if I can make another million Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 13, 2010 Report Share Posted October 13, 2010 Egbert If you have DRIVE as you say but go to a sink school because your parents cannot afford to go to an area where their is a good school what happens then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverlady54 Posted October 13, 2010 Report Share Posted October 13, 2010 There are always children who will succeed wherever they go. 'Sink schools' as you put it usually have a few reasonable teachers but of course it is the incompetent teachers who are doing the damage. Why are they there? because 2 decades ago someone decided that children mustn't be taught good grammar and how to spell etc. and that meant that those choosing to go into teaching were allowed entry with lower educational standards. We now have a number of teachers who don't have enough knowledge of their own subjects to teach effectively. A very sad situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 13, 2010 Report Share Posted October 13, 2010 On the teachers at least Silverlady I agree with you, I watched a program a while ago on the BBC, on how hard it is to sack teachers, even if has been proven that they are incompetent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverlady54 Posted October 13, 2010 Report Share Posted October 13, 2010 Exactly, but perhaps in the schools which take control of their own budgets, they will soon see who is worth the salary and who isn't. Whether it will be easier to sack a teacher we will have to wait and see but I can't envisage schools wanting to keep paying out for incompetence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 13, 2010 Report Share Posted October 13, 2010 Again I agree, and on the sacking of teachers I hope you are right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egbert Posted October 13, 2010 Report Share Posted October 13, 2010 If you have DRIVE as you say but go to a sink school because your parents cannot afford to go to an area where their is a good school what happens then. Well, sadly, probably you become a criminal! But what creates a "sink school". The pupils. The quality of staff probably isn't going to help either. Standards in teaching have gone down over the years, just as they have gone down in most occupations. Why? Because of a lack of discipline in society generally. Too many "liberal" attitudes. A reluctance by people to get involved. Successive governments have made it easier to go to university, probably because it makes the unemployment figures look better. Thus we now have too many people going to university - many of them who don't need a university education. They come out none the wiser and ill-equipped to make a living What we can do about it I don't pretend to know because society would no longer accept the tough measures that are necessary. But it would help if we didn't have so much envy from people reluctant to accept that there are a few people around who are high fliers and will inevitably will end up richer than the rest of us. It doesn't help if you have a degree and find yourself worse off than someone who started out as a barrow boy, but that's life. Accept it and get on with it! I will now go off for another "three weeks" and try and earn another million Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 13, 2010 Report Share Posted October 13, 2010 Egbert to be fair agree with alot but all of what you say The push to universities started along time ago with the collapse of traditional industries, Coal mining, Steel ect, that Maggie heralded, people used to be able to leave school and go straight down the pit and have a job for life. Those days are long gone, but we have no jobs to give to the people who would have ended up down the pits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverlady54 Posted October 13, 2010 Report Share Posted October 13, 2010 We do, but the immigrants have taken them and the english, having been told they 'are worth it' and good enough to go to university, probably think themselves above such jobs anyway!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 13, 2010 Report Share Posted October 13, 2010 Our education systems have always produced dross, those who cos they have no feeling of self worth or ambition, fall out into what used to be called "factory fodder". This mass of "unskilled labour" now has only service industry jobs left, which as Silv rightly says, they consider beneath them; so their ambitions now revolve around becoming the next winner of x-factor! There could be lots of work for unskilled labour IF we embarked on the massive and much needed civil engineering projects like repairing and renewing our water and sewage infrastructure, building dams to harness our abundance of fresh water and create non-polluting power, develop a fast and comprhensive (rail) transport system etc etc. Alas, such massive civil engineering projects, which would create employment and thus tax-payers - appear to be beyond our capabilties (cost overides etc), even if we found the money to fund them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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