Flag fines -

[observer]

and the issue is: why are WE giving THEM money in the first place, the Gov could have given it to them directly, cutting out the middle man and they could fly the UNION FLAG!

[Lt Kije]

We are giving them money because we are a member state, All state pay in its just some states take out more than they pay in

 

I take it from your change of tack that you agree with me that your first post was how shall I put it, Economical with the truth

[observer]

So your admiting that "some States" "pay in more than they get out of it"?!

[Lt Kije]

I have never denied it

 

So why were you being economical with the truth

[Bazj]

He wasn't Kije.... he was telling it as it was reported. The fact that the majority of the press in this country (and probably the vast majority of the general public for that matter) do not like/trust the EU and want to get out is probably the reason

 

You on the other hand seem to think that it is perfectly OK for this country to continually pay billions upon billions into the EU and when we actually get stuff out of them, think it is OK for them to insist we fly their swastika over the project even though it is our money that is paying for it anyway?

 

You really are bloody crazy...... no doubt you will be all in favour of the next big influx from Turkey? and for them to take billions out to upgrade their country at our expense while this country has to suffer massive cuts?

 

Unbelievable..... they really would have hung your sort for treason in times gone by

[Lt Kije]

He wasn't Kije.... he was telling it as it was reported. The fact that the majority of the press in this country (and probably the vast majority of the general public for that matter) do not like/trust the EU and want to get out is probably the reason

 

Thanks Baz I have been waiting for that

 

Thats the problem, The press do not report the whole story, Obs post was made to make the EU look bad, and so are the press reports, people are relying on the press to give them reliable information as you have said yourself they are not getting it. Obsevers post is not the same when you know the whole story is it

[Bazj]

Of course it is the same..... the EU are fining US for not flying their swastika over projects funded by our own UK money given to the EU which is then begged for to pay for projects we could fund ourselves (plus a hell of a lot more with the other 5 billion we don't get back

 

It is irrelavant that they do the same with other countries; and no doubt the German and French press are saying the same.

 

If Obs wants to tell a story one way, doesn't mean the substance and basis of the story is any different..... The EU are ripping us off and demanding we grovel to them by flying their crap flag to boot

[observer]

btw: another TV news report:- some illegal immigrants were discovered under a lorry, heading for Warrington. Rumour has it, that they were to stay at Kyje's house!!!!!

[Bazj]

...........and I heard they were coming to take his job too!!

[Lt Kije]

If Obs wants to tell a story one way, doesn't mean the substance and basis of the story is any different.

 

It would have been nice if he had not been economical with the truth, and told the whole story

[Bazj]

It would have been nice if he had not been economical with the truth, and told the whole story

 

Why..... the story is obviously true, but you are trying to weedle out of the truth that your beloved EU Stasi are starting to dictate far too many things for every country in Europe and many don't like it.....

 

As I have said, the EU will collapse if they insist on taking a step further than Hitler even dared; as they appear to be doing on a regular basis. They are trying to take away all aspects of a countries individuality and replace it with EU dogma, spin and propaganda

[Lt Kije]

Baz the story is completely different when you know it all,Because Obs does not give you all the facts, His story comes across as the EU are picking on the UK, They are not. Any organisation receiving money from the EU have to fly the EU flag, These organisations did not so under the terms they agreed and signed up to they can be fined. If you do not want to fly the flag don't go for the grant. This is happening EU wide not just in the UK as Obs would have you beleive.

[observer]

Obs didn't try to slant the story; the reports were about British grants; it's irrelevent that other countries have to put up with the same nonesense - our job is to look after ourselves. Your one of those when up to one's chin in s**t, don't mind, as long as everyone else's in the same poo.

[Lt Kije]

Your story inferred that the Eu were again picking on the UK, Your post was designed to put the EU in a bad light, Your story would not have had the same impacted if you would have said this was going on Eu wide would it

[asperity]

I think it would be difficult to put the EUSSR into a worse light than it already is It is a totally corrupt organisation which our so called representatives are allowing to get away with little short of theft of tax-payers money

[Lt Kije]

The problem Asperity is, as Baz pointed out. The story was not properly reported in the British press, you have to wonder why, and if people are relying on that to form an opinion about the EU know wonder the EU is unpopular. You need all the facts to form an opinion we clearly are not getting them. I have no doubt that suits the lobby that wants us out of the EU all I want is a level playing field when it comes to the media.

[asperity]

The problem is, LtKije, that the main stream media is overwhelmingly in favour of the EU, and these little tales about pettifogging EU regulations just serve to give the media some semblance of a critical stance. In the meantime, while everyone is arguing over these minor irritations, the whole country is being stolen from under our noses. The bureaucrats in Brussels are quietly beavering away at their grand plan of removing all semblance of independence from the constituent nations. Already our Parliament and government are an irrelevance, just a rubber stamp for what the unelected grandees in Brussels have dictated. We may as well not have bothered with the last general election (and who would put money on us ever being allowed another one )

[Lt Kije]

I disagree Asperity, The Murdock press and media are against, The only papers that come anyway near giving fair comment are the Inepedent and Guardian, unless you know of any other

[asperity]

I would be amazed if you DID agree with any comment that didn't meet with your rose tinted view of the EU LtKije

[Lt Kije]

So what media do you mean

 

Name them

[asperity]

I think it would be easier if I were to list the anti-EU media so here goes:

 

errmmm no, sorry, I can't think of one media outlet that advocates us leaving the EU. Oh there's plenty of little winges about bent bananas and metric martyrs, but none of the main stream media has taken a serious look at the alternatives to EU membership, because they all, secretly or not so secretly, love it. They are LtKije on a tabloid

[observer]

Kije is desperately trying to blame anti-EU (press) propaganda for public opinion being Euro-sceptic. No need: folk are aware of the facts: 1) WE pay more in than WE get out. 2) 3 referendums on the Lisbon Treaty, returned majority NO votes - but instead of accepting such vetoes - they just had a re-vote until folk give them the right answer! 3) 80% of recent immigration is down to the EU free movement of labour legislation - and ther's nothing OUR Government can do about it. Enough said!

[Lt Kije]

Theirs no pinning you down Obs,, every time I prove a point to you you just widen the debate, How many UK citizens have taken advantage of the free movement of Labour, How many UK citizens are moving to Spain and being a burden on their health system Obs, its two way traffic, now can we get back to the thread, or are you going to continue to evade what you started

[Peter T]

I thought the Brits had to pay in Spain until they had lived there a number of years and paid into the system?

[observer]

What the h**l have British ex-Pats got to do with anything? If Spain etc are daft enough to have them in, it's their buisiness - although I suspect, it's their grey spending power that the Spanish like.