observer Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 I think it was the Duke of Wellington who said: "it's good that war is so terrible, otherwise we may develope a taste for it". In WW2, Air Marshal (bomber) Harris said: "they've (the Germans) sowed the wind, and now they shall reap the whirlwind". So what's all this nonesense on the lips of today's politicians about "proportionality"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve the Original Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 No one wnats to be seen as a War monger thats all..in those days it was all or nothing ,they didnt worry too much about bad press because the people were behind them not like today.. far too many cry "you can?t do that,its not nice" What a joke.. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inky pete Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Wars used to be fought until there was a clear cut winner and loser. Winner takes all, loser knows they're beaten. Nowadays wars tend to be fought until both sides claim that their "goals" have been reached, their "objectives" obtained, or that "a re-alignment" has occurred. The PC brigade have even taken the competetiveness out of war!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted January 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Whilst I accept modern "wars" are now fought on TV and have more to do with PR than military tactics, this concept of "proportionality" I find ludicrous - if someone attacks you, you hit them back with the full weight of your arsenal - simple. One has to laugh at the antics in Gaza, where folk are arriving in a taxi with a scratch on their face, then falling out of the taxi onto the ground to be stetchered off to the hospital - and all for the benefit of gullible TV crews. Having re-read the history of the Viet-Nam War; the Yanks actually defeated the Tet Offensive quite quickly and easily; but the newsreel footage of the VC assault on the US Embassy and the protracted fighting in Hue, caused the psycological defeat of US public opinion, and ultimately the US withdrawal. So it seems we are now dealing solely with public perception gleaned from the media, not reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted February 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 Same media bleeding hearts concerns for "civilians" now in Sri Lanka - to talk in terms of morality and rules of war is surely an oxymoron - when war itself is immoral, and the more obscene it is, the less inclined we will be to engage in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
safeway56 Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 I suppose those children arriving at hospitals in Gaza minus limbs were doing it for the cameras..Plus the 1300 dead men women and children were also part of a PR exercise. The attitude of some sickens and disgusts at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted February 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 So - blame the parents of both sides for pursuing violence in the first place - don't try to sanitise war with rules and morality - it's horrible and the more horrible it is, folk may be less inclined to get involved in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
safeway56 Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 To describe what's just happened in Gaza as war is ludicrous. It was wholesale murder delivered in the main from the air. That's right...MURDER. Israelis guilty as charged...take them down to the cells. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 It never ceases to amaze me, that nothing is said when rockets are fired at Israel, but they are not allowed to retaliate. Double standards, methinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted February 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 Eh Safe, get with the progamme - war IS murder! With billions of "innocent" victims throughout history, from Coventry to Dresden, from Auchwitz to Hiroshima, They havn't yet invented a bullet that veers away or a bomb that doesn't explode in the presence of "the innocent". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
safeway56 Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 The Gazans *rockets* are nothing more than large fireworks and are merely tokenism. Unless they hit you directly on the head they are harmless...They've not even got enough explosive force to destroy themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted February 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 Oh, so it's OK then, to spend 8 years firing these fireworks into Israel; get real! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 How can a State that was founded on Terrorism complain about Terrorism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted February 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 Not sure they are just "complaining", they're evidently doing something about it - and ex-poachers usually make the best game keepers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 Perhaps I should start a new thread, Why the State of Israel proves the terrorism works Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted February 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 Mrely copying their master - remember "shock and awe"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 I wonder if there will be any change of enfaces now American politics have moved nearer the centre ground, We can all live in hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted February 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 Perhaps a change of style and tone, but not necessarilly intent! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted February 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 Notice NATO have been killing civilians in Afghanistan, and a spokesman used exactly the same line as the Israelis and Sri Lankans - "it's unfortunate, but we have to ensure that we minimise our own casualties!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryLightweight Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 'Peace Keeping Forces' , this phrase is laughable , wouldn't ''War Mongering Oil Hunters'' be more precise? As for the situation in Gaza...what did the 'Peace Keeping Forces' do about that other than have many many meetings about it and little else...maybe because the Israeli's are the true power in America not the Mafia...its not just Brussels we have to be wary of !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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