EU Revolt -

[Observer II]

Seems we have a full scale revolution in the EU, with farmers protesting against globalist dictates on net zero objectives, which will limit the food supply to the peasants, to manufactured or insect based produce.   Add to this the WEF inspired immigration invasion, which also affects the USA, and we have a dystopian scenario for ordinary people inflicted by the super-rich and politically influential.   Time to wake up folks, as this agenda is being shared by both Tories and Labour,     😠

[Lt Kije]

No there isn't a full-scale revolt, and never was

[Observer II]

Farmers protests have been going on throughout the EU for some time now, and the EU electorate is moving to the right. But our woke press don't report it.    

[Lt Kije]

1 hour ago, Observer II said:

Farmers protests have been going on throughout the EU for some time now, and the EU electorate is moving to the right. But our woke press don't report it.    

Hang on you said a full scale revolt, so its not a full scale revolt, and what about our farmers regretting leaving nothing from you on that, now that is odd

70% of cereal farmers say it has had a negative impact on them, 68% of beef and cattle farmers, not looking good

[Observer II]

Our farmers will have similar threats from the net-zero nonsense,  which is why we need  Reform.    😑

[Lt Kije]

10 minutes ago, Observer II said:

Our farmers will have similar threats from the net-zero nonsense,  which is why we need  Reform.    😑

Ahh, so you did know UK farmers were not happy, with what you gave them, a pack of lies

[Observer II]

Told you many times, we voted for Brexit, but the politicians denied us it.   😠

[Lt Kije]

On 2/15/2024 at 11:17 PM, Observer II said:

Told you many times, we voted for Brexit, but the politicians denied us it.   😠

No they did not deny us, you were promised something that could never be,as we are party to international agreements which we can not break, you should hold yourself responsible for being pig-ignorant of international law and for believing the lies 

[Observer II]

How stupid can you get ?  There's only one interest for a sovereign Nation, and that id the NATIONAL interest.   Our polititicians have ceded control of our Nation to internationalist players like the WEF.  😠

[Lt Kije]

38 minutes ago, Observer II said:

How stupid can you get ?  There's only one interest for a sovereign Nation, and that id the NATIONAL interest.   Our polititicians have ceded control of our Nation to internationalist players like the WEF.  😠

You are asking me how stupid you can get!!, you are the one who is pig-ignorant of international agreements, the Anglo-Irish one springs straight to mind, we cannot break these agreements, you need to look at the consequences of breaking them, and see if it still sits with your Poll Pot version of the UK that you seem to want, educate yourself properly, instead of believing opinion on you tube

[Observer II]

Treaties have been broken throughout history,  again, it comes down to self interest, which we didn't exercise over Brexit, we allowed others to dictate to us.   

[Lt Kije]

47 minutes ago, Observer II said:

Treaties have been broken throughout history,  again, it comes down to self interest, which we didn't exercise over Brexit, we allowed others to dictate to us.   

No they have not, and why don't you look at the consequences of breaking an international treaty

[Observer II]

HMG threw N/Ireland under a bus, by acceding to EU dictates.  N/Ireland was part of the UK sovereign state, and thus shouldn't have been subject to seperate treatment.  If the EU wanted a customs border, they should have set it up between Eire and Ulster, or between Eire and France. But Tory politicians didn't have the backbone to call their bluff.   😠

[Lt Kije]

16 minutes ago, Observer II said:

HMG threw N/Ireland under a bus, by acceding to EU dictates.  N/Ireland was part of the UK sovereign state, and thus shouldn't have been subject to seperate treatment.  If the EU wanted a customs border, they should have set it up between Eire and Ulster, or between Eire and France. But Tory politicians didn't have the backbone to call their bluff.   😠

HmG did not as they had to abide by the Good Friday treaty!!, as you know full well, and that treaty says no hard border!!!, brexit changed that

[Observer II]

We didn't need to commit to "a hard border", just not accept a customs barrier on it.   If the EU imposed a customs barrier or "hard border"; it would have been them that were acting against the GF Agreement.   It's called looking after your own interests, but our politicians sold out at every turn.    😠

[Lt Kije]

12 minutes ago, Observer II said:

We didn't need to commit to "a hard border", just not accept a customs barrier on it.   If the EU imposed a customs barrier or "hard border"; it would have been them that were acting against the GF Agreement.   It's called looking after your own interests, but our politicians sold out at every turn.    😠

How was that going to work???, you have to have a border, as the EU is a free trade zone and the UK no longer is??, go on explain

[Observer II]

Make your mind up, you said a border conflicts with the GF Agreement.  

[Lt Kije]

On 2/20/2024 at 10:39 PM, Observer II said:

Make your mind up, you said a border conflicts with the GF Agreement.  

So you can't explain, moaning about things you can't comprehend!!!!! you couldn't make it up

[Observer II]

Your with the birds now - cuckoo !    😆

[Lt Kije]

7 minutes ago, Observer II said:

Your with the birds now - cuckoo !    😆

Then explain, its as easy as that

[Observer II]

It's quite simple - If the GF Agreement forbids a hard border between Ulster and Eire, we merely comply with it.  If the EU want to contravene the GF Agreement by installing a customs border, then let them force Eire to break it.  Simple.   

[Confused52]

9 minutes ago, Observer II said:

It's quite simple - If the GF Agreement forbids a hard border between Ulster and Eire, we merely comply with it.  If the EU want to contravene the GF Agreement by installing a customs border, then let them force Eire to break it.  Simple.   

The Good Friday Agreement does no such thing. It was agreed as part of the negotiations leading up to the NI Protocol because the EU insisted. That is referred to in the preamble to the NI protocol but it is not present in the Belfast Agreement because it was not relevant at the time.

There has always been a border as there still is between all the countries in the EU. The thing that matters is whether there are checks at the border. In the past there have been security checks but more recently the Common Travel Area has prevailed on the Island of Ireland. There is only need for Customs checks if commonly carried goods incur Customs Tariffs, which they didn't and still don't.

The problems occur because the EU decided to apply Non-Tariff barriers including documentation and standards checks, including phytosanitary checks, on a system which was identical to that which was acceptable 24 hours before and which did not change. These checks were implement East-West to reduce complexity. This was a naked attempt to change trade flows which is contrary to the main agreement text for leaving the EU. It will change bit by bit now Barnier is gone because it is punitive and unnecessary. In general these things are usually French willy waving and should have always been treated with contempt, even when we were in the EU.

[Observer II]

So we didn't need to back down to the EU then ?   

[Lt Kije]

24 minutes ago, Confused52 said:

The Good Friday Agreement does no such thing. It was agreed as part of the negotiations leading up to the NI Protocol because the EU insisted. That is referred to in the preamble to the NI protocol but it is not present in the Belfast Agreement because it was not relevant at the time.

There has always been a border as there still is between all the countries in the EU. The thing that matters is whether there are checks at the border. In the past there have been security checks but more recently the Common Travel Area has prevailed on the Island of Ireland. There is only need for Customs checks if commonly carried goods incur Customs Tariffs, which they didn't and still don't.

The problems occur because the EU decided to apply Non-Tariff barriers including documentation and standards checks, including phytosanitary checks, on a system which was identical to that which was acceptable 24 hours before and which did not change. These checks were implement East-West to reduce complexity. This was a naked attempt to change trade flows which is contrary to the main agreement text for leaving the EU. It will change bit by bit now Barnier is gone because it is punitive and unnecessary. In general these things are usually French willy waving and should have always been treated with contempt, even when we were in the EU.

You are only seeing one side, the Eu has to have a border on its free trade zone, even you can see that, now sort the problem your vote created, when the UK was in the EU there was no border, so tell me your solution

[Lt Kije]

1 minute ago, Observer II said:

So we didn't need to back down to the EU then ?   

As you know we are no longer in the EU, non EU members without any agreement on trade or limited free trade pay tariffs, this you know but still come out with crap