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Talk about digging holes for oneself;  this row over the "protocol" could be sorted in one foul swoop - IE: Just totally renege on it, declare N/Ireland as part of the sovereign and indepent Nation of the UK, and act accordingly.   If the EU then wish to have their border across Ireland, so be it, and they can build it and pay for it OR they can imagine a trade border between EIRE and the EU mainland, and see how they like the idea.  It's quite clear that this arrangement was designed to economically sever links between Ulster and the rest of the UK, in preparation for the political union of the island of Ireland and the May Gov walked right into the trap, now it's up to BoJo to get us out of it.    😠

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The Eu don't seem to be having problems on their eastern borders with encouraging states to implement hard borders to stop immigration.

 

Apparently ,much of the road traffic between Eire & the EU will soon be going by ferry to Dunkirk. Should be interesting when the Atlantic storms set in.

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In many areas, our food standards are better than the EU.  The reality is, that the EU, especially France, are peeved with us for having the nerve to Brexit;  so they are trying their best to secure some control over us.  Our Gov have been slow to fully deliver Brexit by falling for these deals that tie us in to the EU.  Hopefully they'll realise that "no deal" was the best deal, and will now scrap all the chains tying us down, like the Protocol, the ECJ and the ECHR.  😠

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1 hour ago, Observer II said:

In many areas, our food standards are better than the EU.  The reality is, that the EU, especially France, are peeved with us for having the nerve to Brexit;  so they are trying their best to secure some control over us.  Our Gov have been slow to fully deliver Brexit by falling for these deals that tie us in to the EU.  Hopefully they'll realise that "no deal" was the best deal, and will now scrap all the chains tying us down, like the Protocol, the ECJ and the ECHR.  😠

Why you want all that trouble and a trade war is beyond me. We are not however tied to the ECHR through the EU, rather I believe we actually wrote it.

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I know, it was written by a British diplomat at the end of the war, when we still had illusions about being a major player in world affairs, with naive notions of human rights;  that have since been used to compromise our national interests.  As for a trade war, sounds to me like it's already happening, with the French.  😠

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And talking of the French; we now have a trade war;  motivated by Macron's election ambitions and the spiteful attempts by EU politicians to sabotage a Brexit success, thus keeping the rest in the fold.   But this spat flags up some long apparent facts about the UK;  we have long been reliant on imports, especially food,  which during our Empire was provided by global trade protected by the largest Navy in the World.   We learned just how sensitive this dependency could be, during WW2;  when German submarines threatened to cut those imports and starve us out.   However, in the spirit of the time,  we pulled together and planted food crops in every open space, and with the aid of a Land Army of Women, began producing over 90% of our food needs.  So, if we could do it then, why not now ?   OK, we don't have as much land space, nor the Land Army volunteers; but there are ways of moving forward; EG.  automation of our agricultural infrastructure to compensate for lack of labour, and the massive use of giant greenhouse projects to produce year round crops.   Just as in Holland and Belgium, upon whom we now depend for lots of our fruit and vegetables.   We should be fostering our farmers and fishermen,  with the aim to increase food self sufficiency, rather than trade deals with Australia and N/Zealand to undercut them.   As with energy, Brexit demands a huge increase in self sufficiency in order to secure true independence in a world of increased reliance on trade and the threats it can reap.  We need politicians that can think and plan for the long term, well into the future, and act accordingly.     😠

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42 minutes ago, Observer II said:

And talking of the French; we now have a trade war;  motivated by Macron's election ambitions and the spiteful attempts by EU politicians to sabotage a Brexit success, thus keeping the rest in the fold.   But this spat flags up some long apparent facts about the UK;  we have long been reliant on imports, especially food,  which during our Empire was provided by global trade protected by the largest Navy in the World.   We learned just how sensitive this dependency could be, during WW2;  when German submarines threatened to cut those imports and starve us out.   However, in the spirit of the time,  we pulled together and planted food crops in every open space, and with the aid of a Land Army of Women, began producing over 90% of our food needs.  So, if we could do it then, why not now ?   OK, we don't have as much land space, nor the Land Army volunteers; but there are ways of moving forward; EG.  automation of our agricultural infrastructure to compensate for lack of labour, and the massive use of giant greenhouse projects to produce year round crops.   Just as in Holland and Belgium, upon whom we now depend for lots of our fruit and vegetables.   We should be fostering our farmers and fishermen,  with the aim to increase food self sufficiency, rather than trade deals with Australia and N/Zealand to undercut them.   As with energy, Brexit demands a huge increase in self sufficiency in order to secure true independence in a world of increased reliance on trade and the threats it can reap.  We need politicians that can think and plan for the long term, well into the future, and act accordingly.     😠

We have always been a trading nation and the world war was an exception not the rule. As the government moves to great and more open fee trade what you support appears to be an emulation of North Korea. You will not find much support for uneconomical isolationism anywhere on the political spectrum in this country.

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A reliance on global inter-dependence leaves us exposed to the frailties of geo-political forces, like the current French (EU) antics.   Self sufficiency provides the economic security we have a right to expect.    Folk may dismiss the idea now; but as global events deteriorate and inflict economic hardships,  they'll prove more receptive to the idea.  :rolleyes:

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Sure your right, but as we knew, they're determined to make Brexit a failure, so will continue to plague us.   We need to remove all dependency on them and others, otherwise the needling will never stop.  Next year will see a cost of living rise, brought on by shortages etc; and it's those shortages that need to be eliminated by home production of food and energy etc.   We're going to be short on energy, due to our headlong pursuit of the green agenda, without reference to maintaining sufficient supply options.   :unsure:

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