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[Observer II]

Unsurprisingly, the Speaker has ruled another vote on the PM's "deal" would be out of order, it having been defeated in Parliament.  The EU has insisted that this is their final offer, which leaves Parliament with a problem.  The clock is still ticking down to the 29th March,  when we leave (without a deal).  So, given, that the PM could probably get a majority for her deal, minus the backstop; perhaps she should put that to Parliament, and thence to the EU; thus putting the onus on the EU of that option or a "no deal" Brexit,  in time for the 29th March deadline ?

[Lt Kije]

The EU would then insist on a border, this is the UK doing, Obs surly you had thought about the consistencies for Ireland before you voted, just what did you think would happen, you were aware of the Angl Irish agreement.

 

[asperity]

If the EU want a border they can have one - at their own expense. Bring it on. (Popcorn shopping tomorrow 😁).

[Observer II]

If the EU want a border they would have to provide it;  the GFA was an agreement between the UK and Eire; nothing to do with the EU.

[Lt Kije]

2 minutes ago, Observer II said:

If the EU want a border they would have to provide it;  the GFA was an agreement between the UK and Eire; nothing to do with the EU.

And there will be with no agreement which then breaks the Anglo Irish agreement, it was the UK that agreed to no border with the Republic, it is

up to the UK and those that voted for Brexit to sort the mess out not the EU

[Observer II]

Err nope;  we don't want "a hard" border, the EU have said they do

[Lt Kije]

You have to have a border Obs as you know, You cannot have a customs union without one, but you knew that before you voted and must have a solution, so what is it, or did you vote without thinking about the consequences 

[Observer II]

I'm frankly not interested whether we have a border or not; although on reflection I guess we might need it, to stop the illegals from the EU getting into the UK !  So bring it on.

[Lt Kije]

So you admit you did not think about it before your vote, how about this one, EU immigration has gone down since the vote, but immigration has stayed the same, as EU immigration has been replaced by Sub Continent immigration, which is mainly Pakistan.

[Observer II]

So an even bigger need to take charge of our own borders and immigration policy; and ensure that illegal migrants, that are allowed to freely roam the EU, don't cross the English channel.

[Lt Kije]

We have always had control of the border with the Sub Continent, you couldn't make it up, people voted for less Muslim immigration and ended up with more

[Observer II]

Oh no they didn't;  they voted for a managed system that was economically and socially sustainable; which means an economically selective one, that excludes illegal entry.

[Lt Kije]

OBS the UK has always had control of immigration from non EU countries and could choose to stop it anytime they wanted. the surge of immigration from the third world to here is nothing at all to do with the EU

[Observer II]

imo little or no attempts have been made by HMG to minimise immigration, and only recently when the HO began to get a grip, we had liberal politicians calling it a hostile enviroment; it's all quite simple -  person wants to migrate to the UK, visits UK embassy in their own Country and applies for visa;  which should involve background checks for health and criminality. If they have a skill that we need, a temporary visa can be issued - that's the legal approach.  When a visa expires, they go back.  sorted.

[asperity]

28 minutes ago, Lt Kije said:

We have always had control of the border with the Sub Continent, you couldn't make it up, people voted for less Muslim immigration and ended up with more

Which conspiracy theorist website did you get that "FACT" 🙄 from?

[asperity]

22 minutes ago, Lt Kije said:

OBS the UK has always had control of immigration from non EU countries and could choose to stop it anytime they wanted. the surge of immigration from the third world to here is nothing at all to do with the EU

This is very true (??). The surge of third world immigration to EU countries was encouraged by the nutjob Mrs Merkel

[Confused52]

Just to be clear the Belfast Agreement called for de-militarisation of the border it did not call for no hard border. If you think it did help me by giving a reference to the text.

There is currently a customs border between North and South and between the South and Great Britain. The North is treated differently today from Great Britain because going across the Border on the Island of Ireland the Customs border is not enforced but legally it is there as you will find if you buy cross-border goods and get a VAT invoice. If you travel from the South you leave through the EU Nothing to declare exit, which is not the same as no border. So it not being possible to treat the North differently from GB, why not we do already. Customs Border breaks the Good Friday agreement, no it doesn't. We are in a swamp of confected arguments that should have been called out ages ago but it seems the political classes are just enjoying the arguments far too much to do so.

[Observer II]

Agreed - imo it was a constructed argument intended to lock us into vassalage.

[Lt Kije]

On 3/18/2019 at 10:39 PM, Observer II said:

Oh no they didn't;  they voted for a managed system that was economically and socially sustainable; which means an economically selective one, that excludes illegal entry.

We have always had the right to be economically selective with immigration from the Sub Continent, as I stated, immigration is up from the subcontinent, since the vote to leave. Nothing to do with the EU, more bullshit from the leave campaign

 

[Observer II]

Here's  what the EU has to do with it:-    1. Freedom of movement included as a condition of membership of the single market resulting in over 3 million migrants from  EU  countries (mainly E/Europe);  with entitlement to claim benefits if required.    2. Millions of non-EU "illegal" migrants from Africa and Asia (over a million invited in by Frau Merkel), entering the EU via Greece, Italy and Spain and literally walking through the EU to Germany and towards the UK,  with a total failure by the EU to return them.