observer Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 Seems a new phrase has entered the political dictionary - the "post truth world"; in which opinion dressed as fact swirls around the internet to the point of being "fake" news. But have things really changed, or has the monopoly of Governments and the media over news finally been sussed by the Plebs, who have discovered that the liberal outpouring from the BBC et al, doesn't match their anecdotal experience on the ground; experience that is now being widely shared on social media ? So we're now left with a situation where people only believe what they want to believe and what their own experience tells them ? The latest claim by the CIA, that Russian hackers interfered with the US election, is another "you couldn't make it up" item, except they probably have made it up. The US military-industrial complex relies on selling ever more sophisticated weapons systems to the US Gov, worth $trillions; and to justify this, one needs enemies, and Russia and China are top of the US list. So, establishment politicians like Clinton are more than happy to promote confrontation between super-States in order to perpetuate the cycle of proxy wars and arms sales. Likewise, blundering Boris upsets the Saudis with a glimmer of truth about their promotion and financing of Islamic extremism, and is quickly slapped down by a PM, conscious of the fact that we sell arms to the Saudis, which keep folk employed in the UK. All of it the politics of cynicism, which the population at large are now starting to figure out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeborn John Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 Another phrase which has appeared just lately is 'populist movement' a term used by the media to sneer at the millions of people who have started to vote the way they feel and not how the people with coloured rosettes tell them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 Hers another one ,alternative right instead of facist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 Diversity instead of segregation; multi-culturalism instead of separate development; we've had the PC list fed to us for over 20 years now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 Populist, fascist. racist, ignorant, misinformed, extreme right - all terms used by those who wish to shut down (and shout down) argument when they don't actually have a coherent argument of their own to use. In other words, I don't agree with you so I will therefore label you as someone socially unacceptable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 Right on Asp; I believe it's called (yet another new phrase) - "identity politics" . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeborn John Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 Then there's Momentum instead of Militant Tendency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 The KKK call themselves the alternative right Asp, populist, extreme right are also attempts at re branding of the far right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 The beauty of proxy war is that a country's citizens can watch the pictures on their tv sets safe in the knowledge that, although the war is on their behalf, they are not involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 "Remain Voter".... the most socially unacceptable type for the 52% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 "Popular" = 1. liked or admired by many people. 2. of, for, or prevalent among the general public. "Populist" = an adherent of a party claiming to support the interests of ordinary people. So, given that politics is about winning majority support in a democracy, please explain what's the problem with populism ? Or do you subscribe to the view, that democracy is alright, as long as your doing de-mocking ? ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 The thing about the KKK is that it was formed by the Democrat Party, the party of slavery. For some reason the party of slavery is supported by the majority of blacks in the USA. Amazing what welfare politics can do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted December 15, 2016 Report Share Posted December 15, 2016 Who is telling the truth about Syria? Not the BBC apparently https://youtu.be/dQLu-icHCd4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2016 Just confirms my view Asp, that our TV news needs to be taken with a large pinch of salt nowadays. Sadly, most of it now amounts to liberal luvvie propaganda suitable for digestion in the dining rooms of the Metropolitan elite. The sooner this war is ended, the sooner the killing will stop, and that means having a winner. The Russians are providing a winner and thus bringing this tragedy to a close. Alas, the anti-Russian, cold war sentiment of Western establishments, prefers to extend the suffering by backing anti-Assad elements (which include ISIS). As for alleged "war crimes", war itself is the crime imo; and the illusion that ordanance is now so smart that it won't cause collateral damage, is another illusion being spread by the West. As we've seen in Yemen, US backed Saudi bombings have killed lots of civilians, but little mention of "war crimes" by our media and Gov in that context. Indeed, far from it, we're still doing £multi-million arms deals with the Saudis. Hypocracy is rife. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted December 15, 2016 Report Share Posted December 15, 2016 One man's war crime is another man's collateral damage unfortunately. As the woman in the video was saying, the western MSM is making up the storyline to suit its own agenda and prejudices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted December 16, 2016 Report Share Posted December 16, 2016 Back to rebranding, Lenin called the communists, the majority in the civil war, they weren't, populist is just an attempt at the same, I prefer the old titles, facist and far right, it's a shame that the far right are trying to rebrand, let's call a dog a dog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2016 In a democracy, the majority vote decides the outcome; that majority is based on popularity, or perhaps the least not popular. It's only the arrogant minority, who have the intellectual pretentions to know better than the herd, who don't like their elitist position being challenged - finally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted December 16, 2016 Report Share Posted December 16, 2016 Lots of people voted for Brexit Obs, it's arrogance to think they all voted for it to give the establishment a bloody nose, quite a lot believed the lie on the NHS, others believed the lie on immigration, others were harking back to when we ruled the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted December 16, 2016 Report Share Posted December 16, 2016 Lots of people voted for Brexit Obs, it's arrogance to think they all voted for it to give the establishment a bloody nose, quite a lot believed the lie on the NHS, others believed the lie on immigration, others were harking back to when we ruled the world. I would really like to see your evidence on these assertions of yours. I've seen "evidence" (no doubt just as false) that millions of people who voted remain (and others who didn't vote) wish they had voted to leave. So, given that it was a once only vote, (and please try and convince me that if the vote had gone the other way and the leave side had called for any sort of review or second referendum they wouldn't have been dismissed out of hand) what is your problem? Did you think for one minute that there wouldn't be some sort of reaction whichever way the vote went? I for one am sick to the back teeth of being told that I voted to leave because I'm a pig-ignorant, knuckle dragging racist who should be named, shamed and thrown out of the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted December 16, 2016 Report Share Posted December 16, 2016 How quickly you forget that Farage was after a second reforendom if the result was close, and it was close, I think Farage wanted a second referendum if there was less than a 10% majority Feel free to correct me And the winning side don't have 10 % do they? And I don't think they even have a majority now, as people are waking to the cost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2016 Perhaps your thinking is purely wishfull; people will have the opportunity to have their say at the next General Election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted December 17, 2016 Report Share Posted December 17, 2016 How quickly you forget that Farage was after a second reforendom if the result was close, and it was close, I think Farage wanted a second referendum if there was less than a 10% majority Feel free to correct me And the winning side don't have 10 % do they? And I don't think they even have a majority now, as people are waking to the cost 99% of all voters would vote to leave if there was a referendum.... that's a fact.... what you don't believe me? It's true, honest, I saw it on the internet alongside a poll that said most voters with a modicum of sense could read what the writing said on the side of the Leave bus and understand it.... only the stupid thought it meant they were saying that £350 million a week would be spent on the NHS..... didn't you Kije ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted December 18, 2016 Report Share Posted December 18, 2016 Why don't you check on what Farage said Baz He said it a number of times, including election night???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 Why don't you check on what Farage said Baz He said it a number of times, including election night you didn't say that you said it was on the side of the bus.... it wasn't (as I have shown above) you can apologise at your leisure.... I won't keep badgering you for a suitable response like you often do 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 Is he what the Ozzies used to call a whinging Pomme ? ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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