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Child Benefit: £1m A Week For EU Children Abroad


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Seems we really are a soft touch..... nearly 26,000 Polish kids are being paid UK levels of child benefits even though they still live in Poland and may never have even been to the UK!!

It costs the UK taxpayer £55m a year to fund this crazy system, which is only replicated in four other EU countries - 22 countries require the child to be resident in order to qualify child benefits

 

The Polish are laughing all the way to the bank as our child benefits are 4 x higher than what they could expect to get from their own government

 

Yet another "You couldn't make it up" story

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The story comes from A Migration Watch press release.

 

 

both child benefit and the child tax credit are family benefits under EC Regulation 883/2004. This regulation protects the social security rights of nationals of all member states of the European economic area (EEA), including the UK, and Switzerland when they exercise their rights of free movement under EU law.

 

This was taken from where they got the information

 

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201213/cmhansrd/cm130128/text/130128w0004.htm

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The story comes from A Migration Watch press release. both child benefit and the child tax credit are family benefits under EC Regulation 883/2004. This regulation protects the social security rights of nationals of all member states of the European economic area (EEA), including the UK, and Switzerland when they exercise their rights of free movement under EU law. This was taken from where they got the information http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201213/cmhansrd/cm130128/text/130128w0004.htm

and your point is what?

 

My point is that it is a disgrace and we are spending £55m a year giving benefits to people who aren't and never have been in this country at all!! They may be "entitled" to it, and if they have to get it, they should get iot at the rate they get at home not cream off our welfare state

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no not at all.... we are one of only 5 countries in the EU that pays child benefit to kids who don't live in the country that is paying it. 22 others will not pay benefits to Polish kids who live in Poland.... makes sense to me!

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I have read it Lt Kije, and nowhere does it say that it is compulsory for EEA members to obey the regulation. It just says what the purpose of the regulation is.

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I posted evidence, you posted something about shipping and oil, but I said most, you have given one example, why don't you read about the EEA, and see for yourself what EU regulations they have to abide by. Instead of trying to find exemptions. I think you will find I am right.

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As I've tried to explain to you, EEA members are represented by themselves on the International bodies that make up International rules and regulations, while the EU members are, by EU treaty, represented en bloc by the EU. The EU then passes on the parts of the rules and regulations that they want EU members to adopt to us and the rest of the EU members, Meanwhile the EEA members adopt the parts of the rules and regulations that suit them. So the likes of Norway, which doesn't have a motor industry to speak of, has more say in the rules and regulations that the car industry in this country has to abide by than we do. And not having a car industry they don't have to abide by any of the self same rules and regulations that they had more say than us in framing. Understand?

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No they do not, Why would Norway for instance adopt the working time directive, all parts of it, it would give them a competitive advantage if they did not over the rest of the EU, they had no choice Asp, why don't you read about the the rules of the EEA, they have little choice.

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They obviously agreed that the working time directive was a good thing to implement in its entirety, probably because they had made such a large contribution when it was drawn up, unlike the UK which had hardly any say in it.

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Members of the EEA do NOT have to comply with the EU's free movement of labour rules, so they do NOT have to even allow EU citizens to become resident and work in their countries in the first place.

 

The EEA is purely a TRADING area - just as the Common Market we voted in favour of was - and while it is true that EEA members have to comply with Brussels diktats concerning TRADE - they do NOT have to comply with any of the EU laws on migration, human rights, benefits, working time, health and safety, justice, prisons, or any of the other nonsense which the EU spends OUR money imposing upon us. 

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They only have to abide by the same International rules and regulations that every country in the world have to abide by if they want to trade Internationally. Coincidentally so do EU members. They don't have to follow the EU rules and regulations, but they do have to follow International rules and regulations. Where the EU rules and regulations are the same as International rules and regulations it may appear that the EEA countries are following the EU while in fact they are following the same rules and regulations as the rest of the world trading countries. It may come as a surprise to you Lt Kije but the world consists of more than the EU. A lot more.

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You still don't get it do you. Anyone who wants to trade with anyone else has to abide by rules and regulations, and the rules and regulations for the EU trading with the rest of the world are the same as for the rest of the world trading amongst themselves. In other words EU regulations have to be in accord with International regulations. The difference is that countries outside the EU are able to take part in the drawing up of the regulations, but EU members are not allowed to, because it is an EU competence. So we as a ,country only have a small minority say in any negotiations undertaken with the rest of the world and for this we have to pay through the nose. If we were outside the EU we would have more say in the drafting of the regulations and be able to put our case independently.

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Sorry to interupt... but re the child benefit part (which started this topic) .....

 

Seemingly WE can also claim 'our' child benefit and other benefits from the UK if we work/move to one of the other countries and take our kids with us or leave them behind. 

 

In some cases though we would have to claim from the other countries benefits system but if it's not as much as we would have got over here then we can get a top up.

 

All rather confusing though .... so back to where you were ..... 

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They have to abide by most EU rules and regulations, part of the deal to gain access to the single market.

 

"Most" (as in far more than 50%) EU rules and laws are either uncontroversial expressions of laws and concepts which pretty much all member states share within their own legislation, or technical rules governing the minutiae of trading arrangements.

 

Of the thousands upon thousands of EU rules and laws there are probably only a dozen or so which most British people are uncomfortable with or opposed to - BUT those dozen or so rules are the ones which the EU is building its Federal sovereignty grab upon.

 

It's not a numbers game corporal, and to pretend that it is shows you to be either dishonest or just plain dumb.

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