Lt Kije Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 Would this be the America that stayed out of the War long enough so as to Bankrupt Britain and then join, who teach in there schools that the war started in 1942 America Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 yup!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted February 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 Well, on reflection, Hitler and Napoleon only tried to unite Europe and failed - where the EU clearly appear to be succeeding! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 But they all had one aim in mind Obs..... and that was to unite Europe AGAINST Britain! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 Which is what they are doing and succeeding, yet no-one seems to care!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 I think you will find that Britain once tried to unite the world, they called it Empire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 Unite or conquer??? I thought that we were talking modern day, or doesn't that suit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted February 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 Don't think "the British Empire" was about intentional "unification", merely the results of colonial wars in pursuit of cheap resources. Interesting take on the early use of "free trade", since you mention the Brit Empire: China - always a huge (population) market, was deliberately traded "opium" by the Brits, in order to create an economic dependency, that would facilitate "trade". Japan - after centuries of isolationism; was opened up to "free trade" by the USA (Commodore Perry) , using gunboat diplomacy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 Well, on reflection, Hitler and Napoleon only tried to unite Europe and failed - where the EU clearly appear to be succeeding! My post was answering this, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted February 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 "succeeding" by political stealth and the denial of democracy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 I'm glad you mentioned it was Britain in the opium Wars what a nice country we were in are past The fact remains the UK has and always will be a trading Nation, Whether it be goods or more recently services and has allot to loose by protectionism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted February 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 Only because of we "rely" on cheap imports rather than striving for self sufficiency - I fail to see why, food for example should travel half way round the world, when most of it could be produced at home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 Observer to be honest I actually agree with you on food but for different reasons, why should we import food from Africa when they can not even feed themselves, and why are the growing flowers to import to us when they should be growing food. But thats where it ends, I want to be able to buy the best product for me at the best price Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted February 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 No - you want it at the "cheapest" price! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 No I want the best product my budget can afford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted February 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 Nope - you want the cheapest! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 I would call it good old British value for money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Jack Hackett Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 I hear a lot of banter about British jobs for British citizens and I hear the tinkle of distant alarm bells. Economic stress in the 20th century was a breeding ground for nationalism. If nationalism takes hold we have some near recent learning to at least warrant reflection on its consequences (not least for Britain who has been in decline ever since). Remember a nationalist is not the same a patriot. The nationalist is a scared, unpredictable creature whose circle of prejudice gets ever larger as the economic stress increases. Before long his prejudice spans not only peoples outside of his own nationality but sub-sets within it. Malthusian theory starts to sound sensible and right and before long he can justify any measure. Extreme nationalism in a melting pot like Britain has thankfully never taken root we are a bleating lot but at heart we have an in built relief valve. And the next time you feel nationalistic when viewing a Polish immigrant cleaning your public convenience give a thought to his ancestors, many of whom were actively involved in out finest hour the last time a country thought national socialism was a good idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 Father Jack Hackett Well said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 The problem with the Poles, is that they invaded the building industry amongst others. They didn't clean toilets, mainly as we haven't any left to clean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 You could argue that that the Poles brought competition into the building industry, and stopped a cartel run by British builders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Jack Hackett Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 The problem with the Poles, is that they invaded the building industry Makes a nice change them invading rather than being invaded. Do I recall the German building industry being invaded by Brits a few years back. Oh but that is different. Our industry was in collapse and we could not feed our families....er hang on...where have I heard that? Get real. You do not think about the feelings of a bit of bum cleavage when your family lives like dogs and your kids have nothing to eat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted February 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 Errm Kyje; it's the so-called "cartels" that are employing Jonny Foreigner - cos it's cheaper! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Apparently someone has now pointed out that in Wales some jobs are advertising that applicants must have GCSE Welsh; it keeps the English and every other bugger else out!! We have foreigners brought in to do jobs which unemployed skilled British workers can do - in the name of free movement in the EU, of course. Recently, a Jobs Fair was held in Manchester Town Hall which was for non-whites only - in the name of diversity, of course. Harridan Hardperson has introduced legislation which allows discrimination against white Christian heterosexuals - in the name of equality, of course. This government is at war with its own people, in the name of globalisation and multiculturism, of course. I wonder how this country managed so successfully before all this. Can Traitors Gate bear the weight of all these treasonous politicians? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Recently, a Jobs Fair was held in Manchester Town Hall which was for non-whites only - in the name of diversity, of course. Harridan Hardperson has introduced legislation which allows discrimination against white Christian heterosexuals - in the name of equality, of course. Aren't both examples illegal, and serious criminal offences. Somebody "in the know", was telling me that when Labour changes its Leader, the above mentioned woman/person is likely to become their new Leader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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