tonymaillman Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 Got my own opinion as to this ...... what's your own view ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 Could be a good wind up Tony?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonymaillman Posted April 30, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 Highly debatable subject though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve the Original Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 Didnt they carbon date the shroud and it dates back to the Medievil times?? I think its a fake a good one but thats all..unless someone comes up with scientific proof its genuine Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 I think everything can't be explained by science. That is why people have faith. I keep seeing claim and counter claim on TV mysteries. The most recent scientific 'evidence' neither proves or disproves in my judgment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goonerman Posted May 2, 2007 Report Share Posted May 2, 2007 The Turin Shroud is a fake. It is dated to medieval times. Also, 1st century Jews were buried in bandages round the body and another set of bandages round the head. No external wrappings surrounded them. There are some mysteries though. The artist was just about the only medieval to know that the Romans used whips with tiny metal dumb-bells for the scouring. And that crucifixion victims were nailed in the hollow of the wrist and not the plam. He didn't know about the little blocks of olive wood for hammering the nails through to so as to get the nails into the wrists, though... How was the painting done? The 3-D negative image of the painting is INCREDIBLE. And it is almost photographic. (My bet is that the man used as the model for representing Jesus was a dead Italian crusader.) Last of all, authentic images of coins just like those of 1st century Judaea are featured on the eyes. Except that Pontius Pilate, for reasons of being deliberately obnoxious to the Jews used coins depicting the augur's sickle, not palm leaves as on the coins depicted in the Turin Shroud [ 02.05.2007, 20:50: Message edited by: Goonerman ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted May 2, 2007 Report Share Posted May 2, 2007 Seems we agree on something Gman?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonymaillman Posted May 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2007 Obvious fake as said ........ Christ is still depicted as looking like a typical western European male of the Crusading period. He would have looked nothing like this 'stereo typical' image. The Knights Templars at one point claimed to have the Holy Grail and also the head of Christ in their possession, other stories tell of the head of Christ buried beneath the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goonerman Posted May 2, 2007 Report Share Posted May 2, 2007 But of course, Obvious! And enough of the Lord's blood, I am sure, to fill a red paint factory and paint the town red, but in reality it was all the blood of ducks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonymaillman Posted May 3, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2007 The medieval Italians were way in advance of most of the rest of Europe, in artwork, invention, armour production etc etc ........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goonerman Posted May 4, 2007 Report Share Posted May 4, 2007 And modern banking! Edward I knew a thing or two as to how to exploit that! His compulsory borrowing put his first loan merchants out of business. Every town and city in these islands has a Lombard Street and every Lombard Street has a bank in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonymaillman Posted May 4, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2007 That was all part of Edward's plans to 'rid' the country of the Jewish people by 1290 ..... they were literally running the countries money markets which he didn't like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goonerman Posted May 4, 2007 Report Share Posted May 4, 2007 Actually, it was part of his plan to fight the Scots and the French, the Jews were expelled so as to get their assets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonymaillman Posted May 4, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2007 Read my post again ........ exactly what I said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goonerman Posted May 5, 2007 Report Share Posted May 5, 2007 The difference is that I opt for the view that the wars against the Scots and the French were pre-planned, but the Jewish expulsion was more off-the-cuff. That said, Edward's resentment against the Jews had been growing, and was in keeping anyway with the anti-Jewish sentiment inbuilt into European medieval Catholicism. His mother Eleanor of Provence was fiercely anti-Jewish and played a big part in poisoning Edward against the English Jews. But in the end the big pound signs in his eyes getting bigger was the key. The Scottish war is more of an anachronism on my part actually as we both know that the Jews were expelled in 1290, and the Scottish wars, were from 1296 onwards. I always was guilty of arguing with people I agree with; a trait I have inherited gentically from my grandfather on my Mum's side, who got it in turn from his cheeky little Welsh mother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted May 5, 2007 Report Share Posted May 5, 2007 A Heinze 57 then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 Aren't we all Peter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goonerman Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 Very tasty! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 Some, more than others Mary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 Yes, I think I am in the more than catagory Peter!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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