Bazj Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 So you are saying the Rotterdam effect doesn't happen?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 Most of our trade is with the EU, Baz EU Exports • In August 2011, the total value of trade-in-goods exported to Member States of the EU was £11.9 billion. • As a comparison, the total value of UK’s trade-in-goods exported to the Member States of the EU in July 2011 was £12.8 billion and for August 2010 was £10.3 billion. • August 2011 showed a 6.6 per cent decrease in exports compared to July 2011 and a 15.9 per cent increase in exports compared to August 2010. • The total 2011 year to date value of UK’s trade-in-goods exported excluding August 2011 was £92.5 billion, which has been downwardly revised by £224.4 million. This is a decrease of 0.2 per cent. EU Imports • In August 2011, the total value of UK’s trade-in-goods imported to the UK from Member States of the EU was £15.5 billion. • As a comparison, the total value of UK’s trade-in-goods imported to the UK from Member States of the EU in July 2011 was £17.2 billion and for August 2010 was £14.0 billion. • August 2011 showed a 9.7 per cent decrease in imports compared to July 2011 and a 10.8 per cent increase in imports compared to August 2010. The total 2011 year to date value of UK’s trade-in-goods imported excluding August 2011 was £116.7 billion, which has been downwardly revised by £131.8 million. This is a decrease of 0.1 per cent. Rest of the World • UK trade decreased in August 2011 after a rise in the previous month of July. However trade increased when compared to August 2010. • UK’s Non EU exports have decreased by £0.6 billion (5.5 per cent) compared to July 2011, to £11.0 billion. Compared to August 2010, exports have increased by £1.3 billion (13.1 per cent). • UK’s Non EU imports have decreased by £0.6 billion (3.8 per cent) compared to July 2011, to £15.9 billion. Compared to August 2010 imports have increased by £1.5 billion (10.7 per cent). • UK trade with countries outside the EU usually falls in August as it coincides with the holiday season and companies having summer shut-downs. • The UK remains a net importer (imports are greater than exports). The size of difference between imports and exports has decreased compared to July 2011 by less than 0.1 per cent but has increased from August 2010 by 5.9 per cent. The over-riding impression from the above figures is that imports/exports with the EU are falling but increasing with the rest of the world..... Almost a £1billion drop in a month too!! Blimey, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 Have alook at this Baz http://www.jcm.org.uk/blog/2010/11/uk-trade-the-eu-and-the-rotterdam-effect/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 Have alook at this Baz http://www.jcm.org.uk/blog/2010/11/uk-trade-the-eu-and-the-rotterdam-effect/ nice.... saw this bit on their home page too.... "Is this site pro- or anti-EU? The politics here is centrist, non-partisan and critically pro-EU, though it’s not as simple as that makes it sound." And you accuse others of using pro-or anti sites to back their arguments!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 The figures above still show trade decreasing with the EU and going up with the rest of the world though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 Then you've got the fact that we're a net financial contributer to the EU; funding the Brussels gravy train and the E/Europeans who've just joined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 And where do your figures come from Baz, that would be the opposite camp, it does explain the effect very well though doesn't it. The EU is our biggest trading partner fact Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 Votes in, Oh dear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 Well that's going to be a big surprise isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 And where do your figures come from Baz, that would be the opposite camp, it does explain the effect very well though doesn't it. The EU is our biggest trading partner fact Well I'm glad you asked..... https://www.uktradeinfo.com/index.cfm?task=euearlypub&hasFlashPlayer=true https://www.uktradeinfo.com/index.cfm?task=noneufullreport HM Revenue and Customs figures........ but I'm sure you won't believe them either! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 Not if they challenge his dogma! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 So the government win the vote by 372.... 372 traitors to this country and all dreaming of a life after Westminster. A life filled with first class travel and expenses beyond their wildest dreams....expenses with no need for reciepts and other such un-necessaries..... just euro after euro of lovely, free, taxpayers cash to squander how they wish Having watched the videos of Gaddafi; I can see that happening to some of the leaders in Europe if they don't start respecting the wishes of their people instead of thinking about their own careers and pockets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 As I said I have no problem with referendum, if it's on a level playing field, as I stated earlier with the press Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 No comment on the source of my trade figure information though Kije? or are you teasing us with your acceptance that a referendum would be a good thing; hoping we might not notice you casually ignore some HMRC facts that trade is falling with the EU and rising with the rest of the world??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 The truth is if we had been given a referendum, the questions asked would have been loaded so as to split the out of EUSSR vote anyway. So unfortunately we are going to have to wait until it all collapses in a heap, but at what cost to us? :evil: :evil: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 We are in a recession Baz, trade is down with everybody, EU and the rest of the World!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 Actually our August export figures were up. But don't let facts get in the way of obsession :wink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 Get a grip Asp, over the last few years are trade with everyone has been down, and if you had bothered to read the report on trade figures instead of trying to score points, you would know they are not expected to last. But hay you got to score a point, good for you. Small things for small minds. Do you know who are trade went up with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 I got the information from the ONS website. I'll leave it up to you to get any more information you want. I've got a life. :wink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 25, 2011 Report Share Posted October 25, 2011 The ONS, You don't trust government figures, as to having a life, your petty need to score points tells a different story Asp. :wink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2011 At the end of the day, the public are to blame; those who moan about the EU, yet go out like sheep to vote for the three main (europhile) parties at each election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 25, 2011 Report Share Posted October 25, 2011 Do you include yourself in that Obs, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2011 Nope! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 Interesting, the way this is all going: the only way to stabilize the Eurozone is by greater political union, with common tax and budgetry policy directed by a Minister of Finance etc. This would no doubt require a new Treaty: we've been promised a referendum on any new Treaty: the majority will vote against more Euro integration: which will place us outside a new "two tier" Europe. Those States that can't hack the German style of fiscal efficiency (like Greece), won't be invited into the tent; so basically the whole adventure seems likely to collapse - we hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 Is Merkel the new Hitler? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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