EU Referendum -

[Bazj]

which is as about as likely to happen as King Canute holding back the waves.... Of course they will give it to Eurpoe and once we have handed it over, there isn't a damned thing we can do about it!

[observer]

Thought Kije didn't believe "the News"?! :grin:

[Bazj]

Probably being read by the EU equivilant of Lord Haw Haw....

 

"Brussels Calling....Brussels Calling!"

[observer]

[Lt Kije]

Just reporting what I had heard thats all

[Aaron]

i am unsure about the uk leaving the eu because yes it has caused us debt frustration etc but it has established great trade links great job and learning opportunities etc so it balances out i think we should look for the long run instead of the short narrow minded views that exist, i believe we need to sort ourselves out first before we blame anyone else for our problems if we took away benefits and put that money into having free education then those who are on benefits struggling for work have good access to better their potential, we need to stop giving to other countries that are hit with poverty until we have sorted our own country out, and through this we cannot blame the eu entirely for our demise but the lying stealing cheating politians that have gone before what we need is an ordinary working class background leader not a pompus stuck up tart

[observer]

The inevitable consequence of the EU, is political Union - a single State of Europe, which is basically it's ultimate motivation. The Euro-zone crisis has merely reinforced this, with the realisation that central fiscal policy (taxation etc) control is essential to it's future. So you either want to be a part of an EUSSR or you don't - simples.

[Aaron]

a single state of europe with single stated law would be great idea and with your reference to USSR implying communism this would not imply communism although a cheeky bit of communism would run a long as would superior union it would make traveling easier better opportunities however our sovereignty would be at risk and the great nation we once were would be on its knees we made a mistake giving independence to the eastern countries that have proved to be our down fall :/

[Peter T]

i am unsure about the uk leaving the eu because yes it has caused us debt frustration etc but it has established great trade links great job and learning opportunities etc so it balances out i think we should look for the long run instead of the short narrow minded views that exist, i believe we need to sort ourselves out first before we blame anyone else for our problems if we took away benefits and put that money into having free education then those who are on benefits struggling for work have good access to better their potential, we need to stop giving to other countries that are hit with poverty until we have sorted our own country out, and through this we cannot blame the eu entirely for our demise but the lying stealing cheating politians that have gone before what we need is an ordinary working class background leader not a pompus stuck up tart

 

 

Good to have some young input Shareza.

 

What people do forget, is that we and the rest of the world traded ok "before" the EU.

 

And don't forget the millions that we contribute each year. Perhaps the short and narrow-minded views are because this country is being taken over by Europe and told what to do on a regular basis.

 

Wait until this new tax idea from the EU hits the money companies. Things won't look so good then.

[Aaron]

i fully understand where you are coming from and i totally agree we are being told what to do regularly and it is debatable whether it is for the better :/ me bein a student nearly going to uni i feel the oppotunities given are wonderful and i reckon if we pulled away from europe we would not have the support to help sort out our financial problems and due to the travel barriers i feel less tourits will visit britain again losing more money :/

[Lt Kije]

Try this Peter, instead of looking at it like we are being taken over by Europe, try and look at it this way, We are becoming part of Europe

[observer]

Which is what Napoleon and Hitler failed to do!

[Aaron]

but to unite as one is to irradicate war surely

[Cleopatra]

but to unite as one is to irradicate war surely

 

Never heard of civil wars?

[Aaron]

yeah but how many of them happen seriously

[observer]

Every revolution in history - has been a "civil" war, and they've been a regular feature of human history right up to the current "Arab Spring". Europhiles talk of "unity", such unity seldom outlasts the Dictatorship/Regime that creates it.

[Lt Kije]

Dictatorship,

[Bazj]

Well you can't call the EU a democracy can you Kije? It is run by unelected people who are there purely to serve themselves.

[observer]

Actually, the only effective way disparate social groups have been held together is by some form of "dictatorship".

[Lt Kije]

Baz, everything you have just said about the EU, the Scots could say about Westminster

[asperity]

You only have to look at what happened to Yugoslavia to realise what happens when disparate peoples are forced into a union. And make no mistake about it, the disparate peoples are being forced into an unwanted union by the politicians. It can only end in tears, it's only a matter of time. :wink:

[Cleopatra]

yeah but how many of them happen seriously

 

??? Not sure I understand this question. Don't all wars happen seriously?

[observer]

"War is the pursuit of policy by other means".

[Lt Kije]

Carl Von Clausewitz,

[observer]

The Merkosy duo are set to introduce some changes to save the euro - which may require a new Treaty or a two speed Europe - in which case, should we have a referendum on further changes?