vic Posted November 10, 2010 Report Share Posted November 10, 2010 The Government has acted unlawfully in abolishing Regional Spatial Strategies without going through Parliament. It took Labour a long time to get a reputation as arrogant, but they didn't just rip up longstanding policies without consultation and without bothering whether their actions were legal. And they still don't get it - Communities Minister Bob Neill says: "This judgement changes very little. Later this month we will be introducing the Localism Bill to Parliament, which will sweep away the controversial regional strategies. Top-down targets don't build homes - they've led to the lowest peacetime house-building rates since 1924." All a bit odd, as the case they've lost was brought by a major house builder whose application to build houses was turned down by the local council because they disagreed with the RSS (whereas the RSS said they should be built). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted November 10, 2010 Report Share Posted November 10, 2010 Didn't know they had abolished them I wonder how much money it actualy cost to come up with all the Regional Spatial Strategies which have now been scrapped then... and how much it will cost to do come up with replacement strategies under the new Localism Bill. Seems to me that many more things will be scrapped or completely changed by the Condem's just because Labour had a hand in them. .... and next Government party will scrap those.. and the next will scrap theirs and so on and so forth Probably a good thing though as long as they are not simply replaced with equally daft ideas just for the sake of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 10, 2010 Report Share Posted November 10, 2010 Your fourth para seems to nail it Diz - but plans tend to get in the way of political and economic expediency or are never driven to tangible outcomes with adequate funding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted November 10, 2010 Report Share Posted November 10, 2010 So what you are saying then Obs is that all Government (and councils) proposed plans, strategies, ideas, brainstorming sessions, implemented changes etc etc etc are a complete waste of time and taxpayers money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 10, 2010 Report Share Posted November 10, 2010 Well history would tend to support that conclusion, plans are not an end in themselves, but require political will and funding to achieve fruition - which alas is seldom the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted November 10, 2010 Report Share Posted November 10, 2010 So what you are saying then Obs is that all Government (and councils) proposed plans, strategies, ideas, brainstorming sessions, implemented changes etc etc etc are a complete waste of time and taxpayers money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 10, 2010 Report Share Posted November 10, 2010 Because the implimentation tends not to be funded or is compromised by democratic change (new brooms etc). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted November 10, 2010 Report Share Posted November 10, 2010 dare I... best not... repetition and all that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 10, 2010 Report Share Posted November 10, 2010 Actual results - implimentation - isn't a waste of time; that's called getting things done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted November 10, 2010 Report Share Posted November 10, 2010 Yes Obs but most of the things they do manage to implement make no real difference at all ... is that getting things done or just doing things ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 10, 2010 Report Share Posted November 10, 2010 Errm, not sure, free bus passes seems OK; protection of the Green Belt no doubt appeals (especially south of the Canal), so not all futile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted November 11, 2010 Report Share Posted November 11, 2010 Errrm... whoopie dooo Free buss passes ? Yes for those who are eligable whilst everyone else has to pay OTT fares... no wonder more people don't use busses and why some LA's are making custs due to losses and funding problems Charge everyone a fair low price and make it viable and usable. Same goes for free prescriptions vs those who have to pay to subsidise it. Charge everyone ?1 and be done with it. As for greenbelt protection... well that's slowly going out of the window everywhere and while you think those of us who are South have more protetion for our green spaces maybe you should read up on English Partnerships plans etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 11, 2010 Report Share Posted November 11, 2010 " for those eligible" - well, as the man said - "you can please some of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted November 11, 2010 Report Share Posted November 11, 2010 I suppose I asked for that one eh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverlady54 Posted November 11, 2010 Report Share Posted November 11, 2010 I read an interesting extra bit of info regarding bus passes - it said that they would be available to men at the age a woman currently retires! This is now on a rapidly rising scale so some men won't get their bus passes for a few years!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted November 11, 2010 Report Share Posted November 11, 2010 I reckon the buses will be empty for a few more years then. Not exactly a vote to get cars off the roads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vic Posted November 11, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2010 Getting back to the subject of the thread, this arrogant bunch has apparently told planning officers and the Inspectorate to take no notice. http://www.communities.gov.uk/documents/planningandbuilding/pdf/1765467.pdf Quartermain?s letter translates as, ?We acted unlawfully in creating a policy vacuum, but just ignore the judgement of the court?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vic Posted November 12, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 And no more "consultation" - it's "engagement" now.... John Howell, who is permanent secretary to decentralisation minister, Greg Clark, and chairs a government group called the Planning Sounding Board has said that the existing concept of consultation will become extinct under government plans. He says: ?As far as I am concerned, consultation is dead. Taking a plan, and saying 'take it or leave it' is over. Instead, engagement is what it?s about. Local people will be encouraged to bring forward their ideas?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 13, 2010 Report Share Posted November 13, 2010 Think it's called "the big society"?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted November 13, 2010 Report Share Posted November 13, 2010 I reckon the buses will be empty for a few more years then.Not exactly a vote to get cars off the roads. Not from today... free busses from Morrisons 'park and ride' into town and back leaving every few minutes Make the most of it while you can Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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