observer Posted July 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 So your now accepting that they are staying in the uk, which is what I said in my first post. Aricle 8 of the EHRC requires their right "to a family life" - so first plane back to Mom and Dad. If Mom and Dad sold them in the first place, then presumably they are guilty of a crime and should be arrested - and the Nigerian Social Services should make the "care" arrangements - sorted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 No I am not accepting that at all, It was their uncle that sold them on, There has been no mention of their family, they might well be dead, You will accept that they can not go back to their uncle, and if they go back they might well fall victim to the traffickers who's organisation they have exposed. I must say I find your feeling on this crass to say the least. These girls were victims Obs. And by coming forward they might well have stopped a lot more girls from being trafficked. May I suggest you read the story again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 So - what's wrong with Nigerian Social Services - or don't they care?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 Have they got one Obs, and they also would be in danger from the traffickers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 So on that basis - "danger from trafickers" - the whole child population of Africa, indeed the World, could claim assylum in the good old UK. You and the luvvies may wish to provide a santuary for each and every deplorable case throughout the globe, but I think we've got all on to sort out our own - don't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 So if it meant death to send them back you would anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 So if it meant death to send them back you would anyway. Â Â Why not? They are not model citizens who are going to bring some benefit to the country. WHY travel ALL this way, when there are other countries that they pass through, that they could stop in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 Again, on the basis of that arguement Kije, we'd never deport anyone (that's Hamza's defence btw - ie death or torture). Simples - world's overpopulated, our little Island is overpopulated, so if we are to survive long term, a line has to be drawn, and anyone climbing into our life boat has to be thrown back. The road to disaster is paved with good intentions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 Peter I think the age of one of them is 14, and they were sold into prostitution, They have not had a chance to model citizens as you call it  Observer  Would you knowingly send someone back if it meant their death A yes or no will do Have you now given up on trying to cost out what you want Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 So if it meant death to send them back you would anyway. Â yes...... s**t happens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 Excuse me but aren't you talking about children here  I class a 14 year old a still being a child !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 I was responding to kijes argument that every person has the right to stay in this country if there is a chance they may be killed if they are deported..... The chances of anyone being killed if they are deported is unknown, but you can't let everyone stay here on the off chance that someone may be bothered that they have come back home again enough that they would kill them.... Â We would never deport anyone on that basis, becauise the lawyers would immediately jump at that as a defence. Â As for them being kids, well wait till they are `18 and then deport them. If they have no right to be here then they shouldn't be here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 People say they want a grown up debate on immigration, and this is what we get. PATHETIC :!: :!: :!: Â And people accuse me of having my head in the sand, your last statement Baz says it all, if you want a grown up debate GROW UP :!: :!: :!: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 So you are saying that if every person who comes here illegally uses the defence that they will be killed if they are sent back to their home countries; we should not send them back? Â All of them? Abu Hamza et al? Â and you want me to grow up? where would the money come from Kije? we are giving billions away in foreign aid as it is, plus the money we chuck at the EU.... the country is bust and full and you want to carry on with the Labour open door open borders policy?? Â So where do we stop? when a 100 are allowed to stay on that defence? a 1000? a million? 10 million? once the word is out that Britain will not kick you out if you plead that you will be killed, the queue will be even more endless than it is now. Â Your head really is in the sand and as for my last statement, what was so wrong about it? we look after them until they are adults and then return them to their respective countries.... why is that wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 As you keep dragging up Abu Hamza, lets give you one from the other side, Katie Melua, now a British citizen and multi award winning song writer, Sold music throughout the world a pays taxes in the UK. And I never sais ALL OF THEM, we were talking about the two girls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 Baz, I think we're well past the stage of risking they'll "think" we're a soft touch, they know it, that's why they'll journey through every country in the EU to get here. Kije and his ilk, are frankly a liability, stumbling myopically from one crisis to another, all in the name of compassion, but with the total absence of forsight or common sense. And Kije, as I've advocated the deportation of ALL illegal immigrants into this Country - the answer to your question is YES. Interestingly, a charity for showing immigrants how to play the system has just gone bust! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 where does it say that Katie Melua was an illegal immigrant? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 Abu Hamza is not illegal, he entered on a student visa, married an english woman who had converted to islam after three years of marriage he got UK citizenship. Katie Melua was just giving another side of a story about immigrants Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 "entered on a student visa" - "married a British girl" - so the usual scams havn't changed then?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 He is not illegal Obs end of :!: :!: :!: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 Given the illegal "Anti-British" poison that he spouts, he should be hung drawn and quartered. We wouldn't be allowed to get away with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 I agree with you Peter, I do not like him, but he is a legal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 Kije so you support the likes of Hamza then, just because through a quirk of the law he is a legal immigrant? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 PJ where do you get them from? Same old, same old. :wink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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