P J Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 They don't, but carefull Diz, you'll be accused of scaremongering ! right up there with the "ebola is coming into Britain under trucks" chicken little scaremongering some half wit was running round here posting about a year ago. You were alert enough to notice they were carrying mobile phones, how did you miss all the ak47 s and boxes of semtex? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 That thought struck me too Obs & how quick has he got there with 3 corpses was it ? I know grief can cause some strange reactions ,but without a lot of help from someone or some organisation that would have been near enough impossible. Turkish police ferried the corpses and the Father to the Syrian border where they were passed on to a convoy of Kurdish Army vehicles and driven into Kobane which after years of war is presently in Kurdish control. That said in June ISIS renewed its attacks killing hundreds of civilians in what became known as the Kobani Massacre. Sad that the only way they could get any help was to die, get washed up on a beach and then be photographed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 Is Kobane the border town that was much reported on a few months ago where the cameras kept homing in on the ISIS flag as the reporter continually pointed out "the frontline is just over there!" Weren't the Turkish tanks just parked up along the border just observing too ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 Is Kobane the border town that was much reported on a few months ago where the cameras kept homing in on the ISIS flag as the reporter continually pointed out "the frontline is just over there!" Weren't the Turkish tanks just parked up along the border just observing too ? go on, I will google it for you. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-29688108 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted September 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 Mr complacency strikes again ! Of course it's perfectly possible for ISIS to infiltrate this exodus, where no processing exists. As for the father of this boy; there are refugee camps in Turkey that provide a safe haven, but we could ask why wasn't he engaged with the Pesh Murga in defending his homeland? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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P J Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 Mr complacency strikes again ! Of course it's perfectly possible for ISIS to infiltrate this exodus, where no processing exists. As for the father of this boy; there are refugee camps in Turkey that provide a safe haven, but we could ask why wasn't he engaged with the Pesh Murga in defending his homeland? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 right up there with the "ebola is coming into Britain under trucks" chicken little scaremongering some half wit was running round here posting about a year ago. I seem to remember that I also ask the question re: illegal immigrants coming over in trucks who may have be carrying the Ebola virus too PJ and I was genuinely concerned and thought it was a possibility. I guess that makes me 'a scaremongering half wit' too. Super as that better than being a 1/4 wit or a full one...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 Did it happen? Even once? No. So outright scaremongering. It's the same with the Isis sneaking in with the refugees none sense. As I asked, where were all the guns and bombs? You noticed the phones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 No thankfully it didn't happen PJ but it could have. And how do you know ISIS members/supporters couldn't come over with refugees or other illegal routes. Others seem to manage to get across and into the country so why not them? It's not like they all have ISIS tattooed on their foreheads so can easily be identified as such. Why would they have to bring their own guns and bombs with them when they can probably just get them over here anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted September 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 Steady on Diz, your coming out with common sense, something he's alien to. How thick does one have to be, to suggest that would be infiltrators would parade around Europe with guns on display ! The PM, of all people, ultimately responsible for our safety and security, has already mentioned this possibility is one to be guarded against - so he's scaremongering too?! The whole point and reason for processing these migrants in reception camps is to identify and document them, requiring photos and fingerprints. Also to identify the most vunerable and genuine refugees; but as we've seen; they don't want any of this. And "want", is the key word here, it's all about what they want, not what they need, and this insanity is being aided and abetted by the bleeding hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 Your last paragraph answers all your questions for you Dizzy. Why would Isis bombers walk through Turkey , then risk death crossing the sea to Kos, then wait to be processed and then make their way through the whole of Europe to Calais, then spend weeks or months trying to get through the defenses at Calais, then finally avoid detection in the Uk long enough to meet up with the Isis supporters ALREADY HERE and get weapons from them. Great plan. As for Ebola coming in under trucks, it was impossible for it to get here via the land route taken from infected countries without it leaving a trail of corpses and fresh outbreaks along the way. This never happened and was again one of the usual suspects scare stories to support his hatred for all things forrin. If Isis are going to commit acts of terrorism in the UK it won't be by pretending to be refugees, they have far easier ways Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted September 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 Actually I wouldn't dispute your last sentence, but that doesn't rule out infiltration into the exodus. Those in Calais are getting into the UK. Once again, we have the "it never happened, so it won't happen" theory; which suggests that one hasn't been burgled, so we can leave all the doors open in the house and forget locking up, or purchasing burglar alarms ! As for the ebola saga (again); just check your atlas, the route for migrants is apparent and still being used. Just because we were lucky enough to isolate the outbreak doesn't rule out the potential for spread in such cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 All the scare stories you have spread on here over the years, Ebola, Sars, bird flu, Isis infiltratio, UKIP doing well in a general election ad nauseum, were you ever right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted September 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 Boy scouts motto "Be prepared" ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 spend your life in fear if you like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 ! As for the ebola saga (again); just check your atlas, the route for migrants is apparent and still being used. suggest you check the news or the WHO website for new outbreaks of Ebola anywhere along that route to Calais. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted September 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 Doh, there won't be as it's been isolated if not extinguish - keep up. Fortunately, Government have to consider all possible scenarios and provide contingency plans; cos if something does happen, the very people who criticise such "scaremongering", will be the first to go into overgrown, hysterical schoolgirl mode and criticise them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 so it was never possible for it to get to Calais without there being evidence of it spread and it seems to me that you don't even need anything to happen to get yourself all hysterical, you just take everything you read that is bad to its worst case scenario and start running round trying to scare everyone else. At least with all the public support for the refugees making you froth you are leaving the Poles alone for a few days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted September 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 Poles apart ! Back to your Ebola obsession; it was quite possible for "it" to "get to Calais", as contagion spreads from person to person, quicker than symptoms appear and are identified by professional medics. Add to this, the natural reluctance of migrants to report to the authorities in any event, and you get a perfect storm. By the time any cases had appeared in one place, the contagion would have moved on. btw. it wouldn't need to travel to Calais to get to the UK; but would land on a beach in the Canaries and come back to the UK via holiday makers. Fortunately, and initially more by luck than judgement, the international effort to isolate and contain it proved successful. As for "all the public support"; think you'll find this has been distorted by a media biase, when public opinion actually opposes unfettered entry by uninvited migrants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 It was through skill, caring personnel, aid and expertise that ebola was stopped not luck. it was not possible to be passed on along the way without corpses starting to turn up which didn't happen. Localised areas of infection would have sprung up all along the route which didn't happen. Major outbreaks and huge death tolls would have occurred at the ports where the migrants were waiting for a crossing, didn't happen.. Face it, as per you just love a scare story regarding anything forrin and you were wrong (again) As for having to prepare for the worst case scenario what would you say if the government ploughed trillions of pounds into a meteor strike defence program, after all not only could it happen, it already has? As for your second ramble, there is a huge right wing media bias in this country and despite this public opinion has forced Cameron into action. Hopefully now the business of stopping the war in Syria will become a more urgent priority now that it is affecting rich and powerful countries directly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted September 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 Errm no; if you can recall; there was a delay by the WHO to address this outbreak, and it was criticised at the time. Pathogens don't tarry in one locality for a while to allow a response, they move on from person to person, and by the time corpses appear, it's way down the road; hence the need to isolate folk and contain an outbreak asap. In the middle ages when global travel was minimal, the black death travelled from China to Europe; nowadays the frequency and scope of global travel has increased a thousand fold. The only thing to date that's save us has been antibiotics; but alas (risking another accusation of scaremongering) those antibiotics are becoming less reliant. Moving on to the media bias; clearly you won't agree, but we've had a queue of bleeding hearts on TV, from luvvie politicians to clergymen, all hand wringing over the plight of these ILLEGAL migrants, and hardly an interview with any contrary view, in line with majority public opinion. As for meteors; unless Bruce Willis was available, it would be a case of placing one's head between one's legs and kissing one's backside goodbye; although scientist are working on ways to deflect them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 well enough of your hatred and bile, this has warmed the cockles of my heart (bleeding or otherwise) I shouldn't look if I were you though Observer, it isn't your cup of tea. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34164645 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted September 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 I won't ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 bet you have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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