Farage V Clegg -

[Dizzy]

But nothing politicians and the likes do is ever their OWN work PJ....

[P J]

True Dizzy, but they are expected to at least know what is in their manifesto, and they surely sign off on it?  Well maybe not our pal from down the pub smoking area.

[Dizzy]

Ah so they are expected to learn what 'others' write for them parrot fashion and then speak it convincingly as if they support and understand it.... oh and write their name at the bottom (most 3-4 year olds can write their own names too)..... so now I get it and boy these high up politicians are well worth their money eh ? 

[observer]

Clegg only called for the contest, in an effort to prevent a LibDum  meltdown at the May elections - it clearly hasn't worked.  As for Nigel, his performance won't do him any harm at all; clearly more gravitas than the other three schoolboys.

[Lt Kije]

If you think Nigel has gravitas, you are clearly ill, on basis of argument alone many now think Clegg won the second debate

[observer]

Wishful thinking Kije - the polls disagree with you; unless they did a special poll of BBC or CH4 newscasters ! Watched Jon Snow tonight, trying his best to throw some mud at Nigel;  the liberal luvvies are clearly frightened, to be so desperate. 

[P J]

Ah so they are expected to learn what 'others' write for them parrot fashion and then speak it convincingly as if they support and understand it.... oh and write their name at the bottom (most 3-4 year olds can write their own names too)..... so now I get it and boy these high up politicians are well worth their money eh ? 

You would think so wouldn't you Dizzy but Numpty Nige can't even manage that.  Check out his interview where he is questioned about his policies and manifesto, its excruciatingly embarrassing.   But give him his due, most decent folk would come away and learn exactly what they we promising to people who they wanted to vote for them but not t"the bloke down the pub".  He simply scrapped the manifesto as it would probably be beyond him to learn it lol.  See you can do this when it doesnt matter as you arent accountable to anyone.  If, as expected, they pick up some seats this Euro election ( oh the hypocrisy) then they will be representing people and will have to account for their fruitcake councillors and extremist members.

 

 

 

[observer]

Both Clegg and Gordon Brown forgot their manifestoes; when they forgot to hold EU referendums in the UK - so what's new;  Clegg made a promise on student fees then completely reneged on it, it goes on and on -  you don't believe the three schoolboys know the details of their own manifestoes do you?

[Lt Kije]

Think not Obs, Nigel's arguments are incoherent, he was found out in the last debate, all hot air, no substance

[Antisthenes]

Let's see how Mr Farage and his party shape up after 22nd May. At the moment he hasn't promised something and then reneged on it. Of late, due to significant public disaffection with politicians and our current political processes, UKIP have found that they need to take their range of policies more seriously, because interest has increased and they are under more scrutiny. Perhaps we should encourage more people to visit polling stations next month and increase the turnout? If Mr Farage's party mature in the coming months when being treated fairly by the media on a similar platform to the other main parties, then they can be judged accordingly. At the moment the 'main' parties offer nothing but the status quo. Well, the status quo is far from good enough. We need all of our young people in meaningful education or employment. That alone will improve the future of Warrington, Cheshire, and England. Importing a vast workforce who may or may not receive the minimum wage, who may or may not bring prosperity to the town, will not. Give Mr Farage a little credence and this one chance. He may cut the mustard, he may not.

[observer]

As I've said, Farage will never see the inside of No10; unless the main Parities continue to ignore the issues raised by UKIP and fail to address them. Having said that; I think we need to question the ability of any Government in the UK, to truly take command and control of UK Ltd, in the context of EU control and ECHR interference, and with decreasing financial and economic control subject to a global market. However, a vote for UKIP is a more positive response than "none of the above" or not voting at all.

[Bazj]

it gets worse....

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2601599/Inspectors-went-wrong-airports-underestimated-net-migration-350-000-entire-population-Cardiff.html
 

[observer]

So much for our political establishment "running the country";  the situation is clearly out of control.

[Lt Kije]

As you have said in your last post the UK has decreasing economic control in global markets, and you think a vote for UKIP will change that Obs???

 

The EU is in a better position when it comes to that than a small Country operating on its own.

 

I appreciate your honesty in the matter, yet another reason to stay in the EU

[Lt Kije]

Baz, and if they left by the same airports they came in at???

[observer]

Kije, the global market is something all nations have to exist in, whether in the EU or not. btw as you support fair trade, I would think EU tariffs on African imports wouldn't be to your liking !   Two things need to happen asap, if we are to regain control of OUR Country; exit the EU and exit the ECHR - hence support for UKIP. Trade agreements can be negotiated with any country in the world, without being conditioned by the EU.

[Lt Kije]

Big Countries tend to get better trade deals Obs, as you know, we get better trade deals as part of the EU, as people want to trade with the whole of the EU, so will give more in trade negotiations, little Country's don't tend to do well in trade deals, as they are a small market, you have heard of economies of scale I presume.

[asperity]

http://databank.worldbank.org/data/download/GDP.pdf

 

Is the UK a "Small Country"? Or the sixth largest economy in the world (third largest in Europe)?

[observer]

Thanks Asp, you beat me to it !   The EU consists of a few efficient and productive economies, that have to support a load of hangers on; be they the collapsed and corrupt southern European nations who've gorged on hand outs until their economic collapse, or the poverty stricken east Europeans who've entered with their begging bowls for a free ride.  Methinks, we can do better in the world and better for ourselves without carrying the burden of such leaches.

[Lt Kije]

Are we moving up or down the list, Asp or Obs, and as the EU economy is a lot bigger than the UK economy, who will get a better deal, the UK when negotiating on its own or the EU, the argument still stands.

[observer]

Think you may be surprised by the demand in the new economies for "British" products'; if we had the political will, we could be a major exporter - but with defeatist attitudes like Kije's , I know it's a big ask !

[Lt Kije]

What British products would that be Obs????

[P J]

What British products would that be Obs????

Money laundering by corrupt bankers perhaps?

[Bazj]

Baz, and if they left by the same airports they came in at???

 

There is no evidence that they have left at all Kije; that is the problem. We know now that they have arrived though

[P J]

hey seems we had a local by election and it was just 2 candidates, Labour versus UKIP.  Labour won, UKIP didn't

 

http://www.warrington-worldwide.co.uk/articles/18096/1/Labours-by-election-victory/Page1.html