Bazj Posted May 17, 2014 Report Share Posted May 17, 2014 So you don't like him then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted May 17, 2014 Report Share Posted May 17, 2014 Not much Baz, I think he is a carpet bagger. I saw this on Facebook, posted by a 20 year old, I quite like it as it sort of sums up how much scare tactics and nonesense we are fed. What percentage of the population are migrants?Public belief: 31%Truth: 11%How much of benefit payments is fraudulently claimed?Public belief: £24 in every £100Truth: 70p in every £100How many under 16s get pregnant each year?Public belief: 15%Truth: 0.6%56% of people think crime is increasing.Yet, criminal incidents are 53% lower than 1995.1 in 3 people think Government spends more on job seekers allowance than it does providing pensions.Yet, we spend 15 times on pensions, £74.2billion.1 in 4 people think foreign aid is a top expenditure.Yet, it accounts to 1.1% of Government spending.Stop reading the Daily Mail .Switch off the TV when Nigel Farage comes on . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted May 17, 2014 Report Share Posted May 17, 2014 Not much Baz, I think he is a carpet bagger. I saw this on Facebook, posted by a 20 year old, I quite like it as it sort of sums up how much scare tactics and nonesense we are fed. What percentage of the population are migrants? Public belief: 31% Truth: 11% How much of benefit payments is fraudulently claimed? Public belief: £24 in every £100 Truth: 70p in every £100 How many under 16s get pregnant each year? Public belief: 15% Truth: 0.6% 56% of people think crime is increasing. Yet, criminal incidents are 53% lower than 1995. 1 in 3 people think Government spends more on job seekers allowance than it does providing pensions. Yet, we spend 15 times on pensions, £74.2billion. 1 in 4 people think foreign aid is a top expenditure. Yet, it accounts to 1.1% of Government spending. Stop reading the Daily Mail . Switch off the TV when Nigel Farage comes on . but you see the sad thing is that it is OK for people to post stuff like that without recourse. If anyone posts anything about immigration, foreign aid, scroungers, etc.... they are either racist or posh tory voters. Of course when is a migrant not a migrant? when do they become part of the indigenous population? Are Poles who came here ten years ago classed still as migrants or not (especially as we are all supposedly European (although hopefully not for too much longer)) and is the migration figure going to increase or decrease? If we have an immigration cap, Are we going to have to discriminate against Indian Doctors and Graduates in favour of unskilled Europeans? There are far too many unanswered questions about not only immigration but our role within or without Europe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted May 17, 2014 Report Share Posted May 17, 2014 I'll answer one of them for you Baz, when is a migrant not a migrant, when she marries farrage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted May 17, 2014 Report Share Posted May 17, 2014 I'll answer one of them for you Baz, when is a migrant not a migrant, when she marries farrage very good..... but of course Nigel is free to go and live and work in Germany too if he wishes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted May 17, 2014 Report Share Posted May 17, 2014 Not if he gets what he wishes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted May 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2014 No, he'll be working (or not, as the case may be), in Belgium and France ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antisthenes Posted May 20, 2014 Report Share Posted May 20, 2014 Anyway, we are approaching the time when all of us, naysayers too, get the opportunity to place an 'x' and ultimately get what we deserve. Even if it is a dry run for next year's dust-up. I sincerely hope that the vacuous placard-waving types actually bother to vote themselves having tried so desperately to upset UKIP's applecart without actually stating arguments of their own. I ask not that you vote for any particular party or individual, only that you vote. As Delia Smith famously yelled: 'Come on! Let's be having you!' 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted May 21, 2014 Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 Anyway, we are approaching the time when all of us, naysayers too, get the opportunity to place an 'x' and ultimately get what we deserve. Even if it is a dry run for next year's dust-up. I sincerely hope that the vacuous placard-waving types actually bother to vote themselves having tried so desperately to upset UKIP's applecart without actually stating arguments of their own. I ask not that you vote for any particular party or individual, only that you vote. As Delia Smith famously yelled: 'Come on! Let's be having you!' What a load of bunkum. I think you will find that its Nigel Farage who is without any credible answers but people will probably see him as a way to give the proper parties a kick up the arse. Any policies they have are either forgotten, denied or just plain mad. I see it as similar to when the monkey won the mayoral election in Hartlepool. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted May 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 The probable low turn out and the rejection of pro-EU parties, will merely reflect the majority's contempt for the Brussels gravy train. Think the monkey won twice in Hartlepool ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted May 21, 2014 Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 Apparently anti-EU parties are making progress across the EU. It isn't as popular as our politicians would have us believe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antisthenes Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 Thanks for that endorsement, PJ. I hope you ventured out to place your 'x' in a box. That was my only request. The two main party leaders have kept pretty quiet recently. Living in denial perhaps, and hoping this will all blow over. I would like the chance to vote on membership of the EU. I am under 58 so haven't had that democratic pleasure yet. I love Europe and have lived on the continent and travelled widely, yet I absolutely abhor the EU as an undemocratic juggernaut of an institution. Mr Cameron promises a referendum but his lips were moving, so we know it is an empty promise. There is no measurable renegotiation by which he can be held to account. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boris1066 Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 I think Nicholas Sarkozy would vote UKIP given the chance. He says that "No less than half of the EU's current powers must be aboilshed and returned to member states" For further glad tidings of great joy go to Openeurope dot org. uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted May 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2014 Think Sarky has noticed the electoral wind change in France, and is re-positioning to take advantage of it - so must Camoron if he wants to win the next general election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boris1066 Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 Bit quiet on this topic isn't it??? Expected wild jubilation from fellow swivel eyed, looney xenophobic Little Englanders !!! Maybe Guardianisters still in shock ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted May 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 No point in "jubilation" Boris, if a carefull analysis is made. Inside the EU Parliament; the Euro-sceptics have failed to take over 30% of seats to provide a blocking veto on legislation. The economic and fiscal drivers for MORE integration, inside the Euro-zone still remain. The effects of the free movement of labour policy are still with us. While the PMs meet in Brussels and give us the re-positioning rhetoric, I suspect, beyond these empty words, it will remain business as usual. Meanwhile, on the domestic front, there has been some re-positioning of the electorate, assuming they don't return to their usual docile tribalism next year, which would be bad news for all three main Parties: the LibDems could cease to exist; Labour has to decide between their pinko London support and the provincial working class; and the Tories may not see a majority in a new Parliament - so a hung parliament still with a pro-EU majority. What we may be seeing is a nostalgic generation that will be "gone with the wind". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 The European Parliament could be filled 100% with EU skeptics, but they would still be unable to block any legislation the Commissars choose to introduce, or bring forward any legislation of their own. It is purely a rubber stamp for TPTB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 what's TPTB ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 The Powers That Be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 Ahhh of course, silly me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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