Tuition Fees?

[observer]

Seems the Government are tieing thenselves up in knots again, in the pursuit of fairness - perhaps posters have a simple answer to no public money for higher education?

[Lt Kije]

Degrees should be free to do, Put a charge on their income tax when they start work

[observer]

This was Vince's plan, but he appears to have changed his mind. NB. Scotland and Wales don't seem to have a problem?

[Lt Kije]

It was a good plan

[silverlady54]

Until the money runs out!

 

Reduce the number of people going to university by a half by ensuring good apprenticeships schemes etc. and there will be more money available for those who are academically deserving of a place and will spend their time working, not drinking themselves into oblivion!

[Lt Kije]

No that is a crap idea, Because the only people going to universities with your idea would be Public School children. It would work if we leveled the playing field and got rid of public schools, On second thoughts it might have some merit.

[observer]

Sounds good to me Silv; they could get rid of all the useless "mickey mouse" stuff, and concentrate on those subjects essential to our economy.

[silverlady54]

I said academically deserving Kije! what makes those from Public School the only ones in that category?

[Lt Kije]

Those from public schools get a better education Sadly If universities had to half their intake, those students would not suffer would they If all schools gave an equal education then I would be more inclined to agree with you but they don't

[Bazj]

Those from public schools get a better education Sadly If universities had to half their intake, those students would not suffer would they If all schools gave an equal education then I would be more inclined to agree with you but they don't

 

If the public school kids are more deserving academically then surely they should go? Kije, you obviously have a serious hangup with people who are richer than you so you seem to think that we should exclude the clever rich kids and give a chance to thick, poor kids..... now how is that ever going to help the economy to flourish?

[Lt Kije]

No problem at all with rish kids, but without education the poor will stay poor, and the landed gentry will run the Country

[Bazj]

Jealousy is a terrible thing Kije..... do you feel hard done to in your life because you aren't rich and didn't go to university?

[Lt Kije]

Jealousy

 

I just don't believe you are born into a station in life, and that given a level playing field more people could achieve

[observer]

Intelligence can't be bought, education can. IF we are to prosper in this new competative global village, we need to foster natural ability and enhance it with the necessary skills base that our economy requires. There is clearly waste in higher education, caused by NuLabs obsession with University attendance for it's own sake, rather than it's contribution to the needs of the Nation. So they could start saving by pulling the plug on state support for all non-essential degree subjects and making the essential one's free and based solely on accademic ability.

[Peter T]

 

I just don't believe you are born into a station in life, and that given a level playing field more people could achieve

 

Wasn't that what Grammar Schools did? Gave the working class cream the chance to rise? Until the Unions and Labour got rid of most of them.

[observer]

Based on some egalitarian theory that everyone is equally intelligent, rather than accepting that folk are different, with different aptitudes and abilities; and thus harnessing such abilities in the interests of the State., via vocational streaming.

[Lt Kije]

As I said before, degrees are valued over here, so people go for them, If we placed equal value on vocational qualifications then people would do them, the problem is people and businesses don't.

[silverlady54]

I'm not sure that Businesses and employers do value degrees any more, they are the ones saying the newly employed can't read and write properly and aren't ready for the work environment. What they do value is hard workers with the right attitude who are both literate and numerate and that seems to be what is lacking in the present system.

[observer]

Not sure if an employer would want anyone with a Phd in fine art on board? We need Doctors, Engineers, Scientists etc; if we're to stay ahead of the competition. Which makes one wonder why this Gov has cut funding of R&D?