Labour's agenda -

[Observer II]

With the Tories too scared to commit to radical action on immigration, such as leaving the ECHR;  anyone looking for a solution with Labour, needs to wake up.  Starmer is now doing the rounds in Europe with the make believe idea, that co-operation will resolve the situation.  Well the EU's idea of co-operation is to share out among member states the total number of illegal immigrants into the EU, which is why Poland and Hungary are threatening to leave the EU.  So Starmer is en route to making the illegal - legal, by accepting a quota agreement with the EU, estimated at 100,000 pa.   This conforms to Starmer's  globalist ideology, of erasing the nation state and building a woke world of diversity.   😠

[Lt Kije]

Hanh on Obs!!!!!!!!

 

You said Brexit would reduce immigration, and we debated it many times on here!!!, sadly you didn't believe me, and now you want to take away the safeguarding of human rights, I am glad you educated yourself and now realise the ECHR is not the EU.

 

[Observer II]

Reducing immigration is the function of politicians enacting appropriate laws, enforced by a compliant civil service, the fact we don't have that has nothing to do with Brexit.  The EU is being invaded from Africa, so no immunity in the EU, in fact they'll just spread the load throughout.    

[Lt Kije]

1 hour ago, Observer II said:

Reducing immigration is the function of politicians enacting appropriate laws, enforced by a compliant civil service, the fact we don't have that has nothing to do with Brexit.  The EU is being invaded from Africa, so no immunity in the EU, in fact they'll just spread the load throughout.    

The problem since Brexit has got worse😂😂, no getting round that Obs, you voted for it, and you blame everyone else

[Observer II]

Yes it has gotten worse, but not just for the UK, the EU is snowed under with them, all trying to pass them on to each other, and to us.   

[Lt Kije]

On 9/22/2023 at 3:41 PM, Observer II said:

Yes it has gotten worse, but not just for the UK, the EU is snowed under with them, all trying to pass them on to each other, and to us.   

Trying to pass them on to us, what utter stupidity on your part!!, why post what you yourself know to be crap!!!,

Don't generate fake crap news!!

[Observer II]

A total fact - the boats are from France (EU), despite them getting over £500mill in bribes, they've not stopped them from heading to the UK ILLEGALLY.    

[Lt Kije]

49 minutes ago, Observer II said:

A total fact - the boats are from France (EU), despite them getting over £500mill in bribes, they've not stopped them from heading to the UK ILLEGALLY.    

They have stopped many as you know

[Observer II]

WOW,  "they've stopped many";  they are in a position to stop them all. Instead, their coast guard vessels have been seen escorting migrants towards the UK coast.  If they were being co-operative, they would allow the UKBF to deliver them to Calais, and accept the return of all illegals in our hotels.    😠

[Lt Kije]

On 9/23/2023 at 9:20 PM, Observer II said:

WOW,  "they've stopped many";  they are in a position to stop them all. Instead, their coast guard vessels have been seen escorting migrants towards the UK coast.  If they were being co-operative, they would allow the UKBF to deliver them to Calais, and accept the return of all illegals in our hotels.    😠

Why should the French stop them Obs???? And as to them being co-operative, they are being, your problem you want them to take them all, and do all the work, they are choosing to come here, you voted out of the Dublin Accord, you reap what you voted for!!, did you not truly understand what you voted fot, did you believe the bullshit, because it looks to me like you did, and it also looks like you were very naive on your knowledge  on our internatal treaties, and how much we could actually do. 

[Observer II]

Grow a brain ffs -   The Dublin Convention wasn't applied by the EU, who brought in Shengen, which will apply to us if you ever get us back in.   It's quite a simple scenario, we are a Nation State and even better an Island,  our Gov has a first duty of providing secure national borders, and has Armed Forces to secure same.  If it was left to your lot, we'd all be speaking German now.   

[Observer II]

Basically, the problem is, that our Government has no intention of stopping the migrant invasion, and that all the rhetoric from Braverman (a migrant herself), is about positioning for the next Tory Leader.  With the lefty Lib/Labs with an agenda to increase their demographic support, with a totally open border approach, the only Party we can count on is Reform UK.  Hungary doesn't accept immigrants, who enter their Country illegally, but requires that they apply from one of their embassies abroad, which they never grant, so Hungary is migrant free, leaving them to retain their customs and culture.  As in the US, what we are seeing is a deliberate strategy by the left, to create a voter base for themselves.   😠

[Lt Kije]

On 9/25/2023 at 9:15 PM, Observer II said:

Grow a brain ffs -   The Dublin Convention wasn't applied by the EU, who brought in Shengen, which will apply to us if you ever get us back in.   It's quite a simple scenario, we are a Nation State and even better an Island,  our Gov has a first duty of providing secure national borders, and has Armed Forces to secure same.  If it was left to your lot, we'd all be speaking German now.   

Yes it was applied, as you know full well, stop lying, or do better research before posting utter drivel

 

Shengan started in the 1980s

The Dublin convention started in about 1990 if my memory serves me right, so after Shengen 

[Observer II]

The result is chaos with ecomomic migrants arriving in S/Europe and being passed on to the North.  The EU solution is to "share" them out among EU members, rather than sending them back. Fortunately states like Poland and Hungary are having none of it,  which is the start of the disintergration of the EU.  And all this, because the woke left haven't got the balls to send them back.   😠

[Lt Kije]

On 9/29/2023 at 2:21 PM, Observer II said:

The result is chaos with ecomomic migrants arriving in S/Europe and being passed on to the North.  The EU solution is to "share" them out among EU members, rather than sending them back. Fortunately states like Poland and Hungary are having none of it,  which is the start of the disintergration of the EU.  And all this, because the woke left haven't got the balls to send them back.   😠

Hang on OBS, before we move on, is this admitting you were wrong????

[Observer II]

How ?    

[Lt Kije]

On 9/30/2023 at 5:19 PM, Observer II said:

How ?    

Because you said the Dublin Accord was never implemented 

[Observer II]

We've had illegals passing through shengan on their way to the UK, in the back of lorries, long before we left the EU.   

[Lt Kije]

27 minutes ago, Observer II said:

We've had illegals passing through shengan on their way to the UK, in the back of lorries, long before we left the EU.   

But those on the lorries were never part of the Dublin Accord as they had not asked for Asylum in those Countries, both France and Germany offer more money to asylum seekers, but they still want to come here

[Observer II]

The Dublin Accord required asylum seekers to register in the FIRST Country they landed in, which in the case of the EU, was usually Greece, Italy or Spain.  The EU allowed onward movement via shengen, plus Merkel invited a million into Germany, then the EU decided to share them around EU states.   Large numbers headed for the UK as we have a reputation for being soft, indeed, we currently expend 40% more on migrants than anyone else.   

[Lt Kije]

1 hour ago, Observer II said:

The Dublin Accord required asylum seekers to register in the FIRST Country they landed in, which in the case of the EU, was usually Greece, Italy or Spain.  The EU allowed onward movement via shengen, plus Merkel invited a million into Germany, then the EU decided to share them around EU states.   Large numbers headed for the UK as we have a reputation for being soft, indeed, we currently expend 40% more on migrants than anyone else.   

Wrong again Obs, the Dublin accord did not require asylum seekers to register in the first Country they landed in.

This is what it said

The country in which the asylum seeker first applies for asylum is responsible for either accepting or rejecting the claim, and the seeker may not restart the process in another jurisdiction.

[Observer II]

Same thing