asperity Posted October 16, 2011 Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 One door closes, another one opens. Column 3 row 2: Doctor Fox :grin: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 16, 2011 Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 Another moronic statement from the master of moronic statements Nope, not getting any Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted October 16, 2011 Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 Oh I'm sorry to hear that LtKije. Perhaps its your personality :wink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted October 16, 2011 Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 Oh I'm sorry to hear that LtKije. Perhaps its your personality :wink: what personality? Did I miss something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 16, 2011 Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 Thats better Asp, you are obviously getting some now as your not being pedantic, what a difference 24 hours makes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted October 16, 2011 Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 More nonsense :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 Pity you can't have him on your ship eh?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 I wouldn't let him over the rail :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 You could drop him off in Somalia?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 I have actually worked on ships, when they have been in port, not for along time though. Shipping companies are very slow payers and always want something for nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 Is that why Asp keeps moaning about tax, cos they don't pay him quick enough?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 They pay me on time, unfortunately the government takes an inordinately large portion of my salary before I get anything. Considering I'm on board a ship for 8 months of the year I think thats rather unfair to be honest. And then I see that most of the money they take from me is urinated against the wall and get a bit annoyed! :angry: :angry: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 That's the trouble Asp; they tend to go for the small fish, rather than the big ones! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 No, the trouble is that governments are incontinent. It isn't their money so they spend it like there's no tomorrow. They need to stop using my money as if it were theirs!!! Your problem Obs is that you agree with them. Do you pay tax Obs (I imagine you do as my 88 year old mother still does, shamefully!!)? Do you think it right that the government takes your money and gives it to Greece who have no intention of changing their ways? Or wastes it on military adventures we have no business in? Stop supporting big government and start supporting the common man. :evil: :evil: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 No, the trouble is that governments are incontinent. It isn't their money so they spend it like there's no tomorrow. They need to stop using my money as if it were theirs!!! Your problem Obs is that you agree with them. Do you pay tax Obs (I imagine you do as my 88 year old mother still does, shamefully!!)? Do you think it right that the government takes your money and gives it to Greece who have no intention of changing their ways? Or wastes it on military adventures we have no business in? Stop supporting big government and start supporting the common man. :evil: :evil: He tried that when he went CAP in hand to the locals, but they didn't want him? (Once bit???) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 Perhaps a designated tax system would suit you Asp? EG; Road Tax could only be spent on road improvements. Plus a tick list on your tax form, so you could specify what it can't be spent on, like baling out the EU etc?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 A rather pathetic attempt to change the direction of the debate there Obs, though no suprise given your past form :roll: Nowhere have I said that I object to tax per se, just the way the government sees the tax revenue as money to be spent willy nilly on things that have no benefit whatsoever to the taxpayer. I have complained to my MP about this, although he hasn't, as yet, bothered to reply. Anyway if you want to volunteer to pay extra tax, together with your comrade in arms (alms?? ) Lt Kije don't let me stop you, just don't expect me to volunteer to do the same :wink: :wink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 That's the whole point - charity is voluntary - taxation ain't; otherwise they'd get nowt in! YOU, may consider our taxes to be mis-spent, and I could agree with many of your examples - but's that's why we supposedley have a democratic choice of policies at Election time. btw, he isn't "a comrade", he's a luvvy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 If you agree with many of my examples you too agree that our taxes are mis-spent. And you know as well as anybody that we don't have a democratic choice of policies at election times. We are given a choice of easily broken half promises by gangs of proven liars. I'll say it again, you give the government more than they already steal from you if you want to, but by doing so you aren't helping the cause of the poorest in society one iota. Also taking more money from the richer members of society won't help the poorest, the government will just waste the extra income. :roll: :roll: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 But, I disagree with how it's mis-spent; you disagree in principle with it's collection in the first place. I can't think of a low tax economy, anywhere in the world that that doesn't have a large wealth gap? :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 There you go again with your claptrap. I have stated categorically that I do not object to the need to raise revenue by taxation. My objection is to the way the money thus raised is misused by government. I'm afraid you're talking out of your prejudiced fundament and will always twist whatever anybody says against that prejudice to suit your impossible to achieve ideals. :wink: :wink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 As an addition to my last post, my grandfather, my father and one of my brothers were or are Inspectors of Taxes and I am under no illusion of the necessity of tax for the efficient running of the country. However I'm also aware that the country is not being run in an efficient or cost effective manner and this has been the case for decades now due to the profligacy of the governing class. We have run out of options and money and yet these self opinionated buffoons in Westminster continue to pontificate as if they had the foggiest idea what they are doing. It makes me want to puke! (I would put it rather more strongly but Dizzy would bar me for a week) :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 In your previous posts. you objected to the amount of tax being taken by Gov; so pls make yer mind up. Either you object to paying any tax in principle or as much tax as we do? - think we both agree it's mis-spent; but ask a hundred folk what their priority for spending is, and you'll probably get a hundred answers, such is the nature of democracy. The first thing this Coalition did when elected, was to ring fence overseas aid from any of the austerity cuts - so I agree all Governments since the 50s have been out of touch - but folk keep voting for them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 I believe I have made it clear that I do not object to taxation per se, but the way in which it is wasted. From this it logically follows that I object to the amount of taxation that is raised. You are just nit picking as usual. :wink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 Nope, just trying to establish exactly what your beef is: and as we seem to agree we have no influence on spending priorities, whatever the level of tax take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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