Tracey Bennett Posted March 24, 2013 Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 I'm trying to find out a bit about the history of Clare's shipyard at Sankey Bridges. Does anyone know of any good resources, books etc? I've done the usual Google search but haven't turned up anything other than a brief leaflet from WBC. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted March 24, 2013 Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 I think they were actually Clare & Ridgeway who in time became a sand & gravel suppliers to the building trade & as i remember were still trading in the 1970's. I believe the company played a part in building the RMS Tayleur at its Bank Quay shipyard.The Tayleur sank on its maiden voyage after running aground off Ireland while taking emigrants from Liverpool to Australia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracey Bennett Posted March 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 Thanks Davy. One of my ancestors worked there in the early 19th C, at that time I think it was just 'Clare's', I assume Ridgeway was a later merger. I'd love to find out more though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peridot1 Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 Contact Sankey Canal Restoration Society or look through Schooner Port by Hubert Starkey Tracey - some history and list of vessels at the back. One of my interests is the building of concrete barges at Fidler's Ferry c1918 by Concrete Seacraft Ltd. Peridot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracey Bennett Posted March 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 That's great, thanks Peridot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peridot1 Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 No problem Tracey. Peridot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeborn John Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 Some interesting photos, the 9th one down shows the Clare& Ridgeway offices. www.scars.org.uk/gallery/norton.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracey Bennett Posted March 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 Thanks John, I'm slowly working my way through the scars website! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 Tracey I'm sure I have seen in one of the directories that John? Ridgway was listed as a foreman working for John Clare, shipwright, he must have bought into the company later, when I have time I will search through them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracey Bennett Posted March 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 Sounds logical Algy - thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 Sounds logical Algy - thanks. Early 1900's. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 Algy, another amazing photo . As i remember, in the sixties ,Clare & Ridgeway had a yard near Central Station as well. Peridot1...the concrete barges , i have heard of these before ,were they ever a success do you know ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 I found a bit of info on a leafley about Sankey Bridges and the canal which says.... 'Commercial industries relating to the canal,housing and social provision for the workers all developed making the area lively and prosperous Private wharves, a coal yard and a public house called the‘Resolution Sloop’ existed here in 1756. A boat yard and dry dock followed. Originally belonging to the Clare family the yard starting building ‘Mersey flats’ in 1807 and continued for most of the century. The Sankey Bridges boatyard had a spell of financial difficulties about 1848. However, in 1855 their fortunes began to improve and the order book was full until at least 1881. Today the boat yard is the site of the builders merchants and the BMX track is on top of the dry dock.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 Durh..... I just looked and the leaflet was produced by WBC so that's obviously the same one you mentioned in your first post Tracey. Sorry I might aswell leave my post there anyway now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peridot1 Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 One of the three concrete barges built at Fidler's Ferry called the Cretecove is still partially intact in Norway Davy and you will find it's story in one of the Vol 7's of the SCARS Newsletters. They were built to combat a shortage of steel at the end of the First World War and a total of 54 were built along with 12 concrete tugs. Some were surprisingly long lasting and at least one survived in use until post WW2. Several remains exist of hulks around the coast and in the sense of longevity they were a success. However the method of construction was abandoned when steel became freely available again. Could go on for ever if you want me too lol... Peridot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 Richie & Black were the company that built concrete vessels at Fiddler's Ferry, part of their sales pitch that they were far better for the extreme atmosphere of the tropics and a better alternative than steel or wood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peridot1 Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 I'm trying to get hold of a copy of their brochure and description of their building technique if anyone knows where I can borrow one...? Peridot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 Tracey, some of this has been mentioned by Dizzy. The Mersey was naturally navigable from Liverpool to Warrington (formerly its lowest bridging point) and in 1736 the Mersey and Irwell Navigation connected Bank Quay at Warrington via eight locks with Manchester. Atherton’s Quay was installed at Little Sankey just below Warrington, probably about the same year. From 1732 the Weaver Navigation had connected the Cheshire saltworks and their constant need of coal, with the Mersey. From the Mersey, near Fiddlers Ferry there was a mile-long navigable section of the Sankey Brook as far as Sankey Bridges, where by 1756 there were private wharves, a coal-yard and a public house called The Resolution Sloop. About this time a 60-ton sloopwas operating to this point. In 1757 England’s first modern canal (the Sankey Brook Navigation) was cut parallel to the Brook from the Mersey through Sankey Bridges and Winwick Quay to the St Helens coalfields. It was hugely successful and made possible direct shipments of coal from the pits to the Cheshire saltworks on the Weaver. A dry-dock and boat-yard were built at Sankey Bridges by the Clare family, who were coal-merchants and carriers involved in the Anglesey copper ore trade between Amlwlch and St Helens: they began building flats at Sankey Bridges in 1807. One of the largest vessels built at the boat yard was the 200 ton Santa Rosa the largest hull that could negotiate the Widnes Lock into the River mersey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 Santa Rosa Launch and sailing, built by Clare & Ridgway, Sankey Bridges and launched 7 July 1906 for the United Alkali Company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peridot1 Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 The last two flats were the Santa Rosa and the Eustace Carey the burnt out remains of the latter being at Spike Island. They were known as Jigger Flats because of their ketch rigging, although the last vessel built there was I think a lightship called the ??? Jebb in 1906 ish... Peridot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracey Bennett Posted March 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 Love that last photo Algy, very atmospheric. I really wish I could see a Mersey Flat under sail but I believe there aren't any in existence anymore. Thanks for all the info. Peridot, isn't there a concrete barge at Ellesmere Port? I've sent off for the book you mentioned by the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peridot1 Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 I don't know about a concrete barge at Ellesmere Port Tracey but if there is the chances are it would be one built during the Second World War which was another story altogether... I'm sure you will find the book of interest and even the concrete boats at Fidler's Ferry get a mention!!... There are a couple of flats at the Ellesmere Port Museum but neither are under sail - I think one of them is called the Mossdale. If you are ever back up this way I'll take you to see the remains of the Eustace Carey - there is a photo of it intact at Spike Island under Harry Arnold's photos on the Scars site. Peridot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 Thanks for the info Peridot1 . It seems that the Mersey has encouraged a hot bed of innovation & ingenuity over the years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracey Bennett Posted March 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 I just checked the website and there is a concrete barge at Ellesmere Port.. Thanks for the offer, I think it was on Harry Wells site I saw a few photos of wrecks of flats at Spike Island, I'd love to see them. Wrecks are more evocative somehow! I've seen the Mossdale, at some point during it's history it was Captained by one of the Leigh family. I'm descended from a line of Leigh Flatman, I haven't been able to locate the Mossdale Leighs on my tree (difficult with a common name like that) but I'd like to think it was occupied by my family at some point! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 Tracey, I'm not sure where this photo came from, it may have been Dizzy, however I'm sure whoever it was they won't object!. Abandoned concrete barges in the old river behind Wilderspool Causeway, they were eventually sunk and filled in when Gainsborough was created. The bottom photo is one of three in the old river loop at Statham, we covered this in a topic a couple of years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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