Nick Tessla Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 Not while we're still in the EUSSR. If we ever did leave I doubt that the Irish would be the first target for expulsion, after all Manchester United would lose a large amount of its support! Well as an independent Scotland wouldn't be in the EU - we could start with all the scots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 Well said Obs ! This is where the government should be laying the law down to utility companies who increase prices just because they want more profits ,but this should be a Europe wide issue to help out all the countries who are going through a rough economic period.If consumers noticed they had more money available to spend it would soon kick start the economy especially in the service & manufactured goods sectors. Interestingly, there was a news article a couple of weeks ago about an American firm which had re opened one of its factories in America because the wage cost in China, to where production had been moved ,had soared making it cheaper to move back to America. I feel confident that as soon as wages in the UK have fallen to 3rd world standard then jobs will suddenly flood back into the UK ! Meanwhile , i hear that all police leave has been cancelled this weekend due to an expected rises in revellers rejoicing at new reduced beer prices ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 Could we start with kicking out the Irish then Asp? Hey! and what about the welsh? - You can bet they would'nt keep a welcome in the hillside any more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Tessla Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 Hey! and what about the welsh? - You can bet they would'nt keep a welcome in the hillside any more. Last time I looked Wales was still part of the UK , with no planned referendum on independence - they know which side of their bara brith is buttered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 Think they're happy just to have an independent Rugby Team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 23, 2013 Report Share Posted March 23, 2013 Obs your view is not being distorted!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2013 Look Kije, I've jousted with you luvvies for years and I know how you operate - IE: ignore the message and taint the messenger. It's worked up to now, by locking the immigration issue in the closet, as no one would dare raise it in case they were labelled (by your breed) as racists - the usual shout down. But the advance of UKIP has now firmly put the issue on the table. You don't believe for one minute that Millipede, and now even Clegg, would be U-turning on the issue, if their focus groups wern't reflecting majority concerns. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted March 23, 2013 Report Share Posted March 23, 2013 I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 23, 2013 Report Share Posted March 23, 2013 Obs, Since I have been on here you rarely talk about anything else and try to turn any thread you can on to your Obsession. You cant stop yourself again with your bullshit, A majority concern, If that was true Obs, UKIP would have the majority of MPs, they clearly don't so you are wrong, They did not win in East Leigh, I think you will find the Liberals did. So stop the bullshit it is clearly not a majority. You want to make it so, but it is not!!!!!! Stop being blinkered and live up to your name and Observe, and don't make up want you cannot see, such as the school Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2013 Well, fact: from their Ivory Towers, Millipede has conceded that Labour "got it wrong" on immigration, Clegg has just come up with an half-baked idea to charge immigrants a deposit to stop over-stayers of visas. This hasn't happened on the way to Damascus, they've knocked on doors at Eastliegh and elsewhere, no doubt consulted their focus groups, and are now being forced to catch up with public concerns. They said the same things about the SNP in Scotland, even designed a constitution that would make it harder for them to secure a majority in their Parliament, but the Scots prefered an alternative to the three main tired and detached Parties. The number of MPs is irrelevent, think you'll find they'll be looking at the share of the vote, and if they start losing their share to UKIP, they'll modify their policies accordingly - cynical yes, but that's politics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted March 24, 2013 Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 This topic has been on here for years kije. One of our young posters took the same line as yourself regarding this. Alas, time has shown that our comments were accurate as Enoch's were. Who was it@ Third (??) Rock from the sun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 Seems Dave has now jumped onto the bandwagon, calling for a residence qualification for immigrants applying for social housing; which suggests he doesn't "get it"; the question is how are they being allowed into the Country in the first place, never mind the hpusing waiting lists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 24, 2013 Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 You are wrong Peter, Enoch's speech has not come true, Obs uses fear and LIES, As he has,I have jousted for years with people who use ignorance, fear and lies to make a points on immigration, which distorts the whole debate, Odd that you have let his lie go. It's a good job that some do strive for balance, and will continue to do so!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 Quite the opposite o' toga wearing one; it's your ilk that's tried to keep the issue off the agenda for decades; but now have been forced to actually debate it - I've not heard a counter yet to my suggestions (aside from the flippant one from Nick), on how the system could be organised and improved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted March 24, 2013 Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 Kije, not for me to say whether people are lying or not. Just pointing out the facts of how this has been debated before you joined the forum. Didn't you say the other day that Enoch was right??? never mind. Us lot on here won't change the thinking of others no matter how much is pontificated. Probably why there are less of the regulars on here. Some years back, a political section was asked for to keep politics out of the normal topics. sadly, very little else is discussed. Got your bag packed ready for Hinkley?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 24, 2013 Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 If you have nothing to fear Obs, you would tell the truth, something that eludes you, and why do you feel the need to LIE? Peter, I told you last year that Hinkley was going ahead, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 What's "to fear" Kije? The only fear going on at the momentis that of the three main Parties, who fear they've misread the public mood on immigration, and are now competing with each other to appear tough on the subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 I don't no what you fear, perhaps the truth, but every time I have come against people such as yourself, you all use fear, ignorance and vast exaggeration as your battle plan, If your argument was good or sound you would have no need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 Well, it seems Msrs Cameron, Milliband & Clegg have joined the fear spreaders then, judging by their latest "hard on immigration" announcements OR maybe, they're just playing catch up with public opinion?! The problem is, they "don't get it"; the issue isn't so much what the immigrants get up to once they're here; but how they get here in the first place. Even a night club doorman has more idea than they seem to have! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 Apparently , immigrants from Eastern Europe are supposedly less of a drain on the welfare system than our own people ,according to government figures ,so the solution should be easy...repatriate the foreigners & mind the stampede as the benefit dependant British rush to take their vacant jobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 As Davy says, Immigrants are not a drain, just another distortion that has been put about over the years, and used by people to scare. When it comes to immigration the likes of Obs thrive on muddy waters and peoples ignorance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 26, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 Far from it; any immigrant in this country will require public services for their families; if they are in low paid menial work, they will be paying little or no tax towards it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Tessla Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 Far from it; any immigrant in this country will require public services for their families; if they are in low paid menial work, they will be paying little or no tax towards it. An individuals contribution - even if only measured economically is more than their own take home pay - there are plenty of companies - particularly SMEs sector- and public services -, that rely on those in "low paid menial work". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 26, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 Didn't realise you were an advocate for cheap labour Nick?! With the high numbers of unemployed indigenous youngsters in this country, we should be asking why our education and training sector isn't producing the right skills to fill these vacancies; perhaps many have a degree in dance or media studies, and view these jobs as menial, or perhaps some just can't get out of bed in a morning? Either way, that's what requires tackling - as Gordie said "British jobs for British workers" ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Tessla Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 Didn't realise you were an advocate for cheap labour Nick?! With the high numbers of unemployed indigenous youngsters in this country, we should be asking why our education and training sector isn't producing the right skills to fill these vacancies; perhaps many have a degree in dance or media studies, and view these jobs as menial, or perhaps some just can't get out of bed in a morning? Either way, that's what requires tackling - as Gordie said "British jobs for British workers" ! I'm not in favour of cheap labour - just making the point that a lot of businesses - including many run by tory voting d***heads who whinge about benefits - pay p*** poor wages . They are the indirect recipients of vast amount of benefits, where the state is subsidising their businesses through the money it shells out to their workforces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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