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We aren't living in the 1930's though are we.Thats what you both fail to understand. The world has changed immeasurably in the last century and the conditions that existed then just wouldn't be repeated, people today wouldn't stand for it.

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How would they have stopped it Asp, the Banks pure and simple under your scheme would simply not have been their, Their would have been no alternative but for the government to step in, Oh hang on a minute they did do, before the shit hit the fan, Looks like on occasion they can get things right. They simply had no choice.

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Asp most of the banks had broken down completely, one of the few that didn't was Barclays, and it looks like they are in trouble about the way that they didn't ask for government help. Their just was not enough banks around under your scenario of letting them fail.

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You are talking nonsense. The banking system did not break down. Salaries were paid into banks, supermarkets accepted debit card payments, you could withdraw money from ATMs. The events you describe must have been taking place in your alternative universe.

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The point is Asp, YOU wanted to let them fail, and if they had failed we would have been in a bigger mess, NOW can you see why the government could not let them fail. Just look at the knock on consequences.

 

 It was not ideal, but their simply was no choice

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Why would we have been in a bigger mess? If the private sector (i.e. other banks) had been allowed to pick up the pieces and market forces prevailed the taxpayer wouldn't be in hock for the next several generations, the private sector would have had to forgo part of its bonuses for a few years instead. Why is it that you want the working man to pay for the mistakes of government all the time? I think you must be some sort of 5th columnist!

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Getting back to the Eastliegh by-election - looks like Millipede has done a U-turn and is now apologising for Labour "getting it wrong" on immigration!   Sorry doesn't really do it Ed, the scale of the mess should warrant a ceremonial hari-kari on your part!

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and ..... seems the Tories are considering pulling out the ECHR, as well as having a referendum on EU membership - only if they get elected into Government of course. Recall both Tories and Labour promised an EU referendum before, but didn't deliver.  Amazing how quickly extremes (according to some) can quickly become mainstream!

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Does not the ECHR not inshrine some or lots of UN regulations?, So if we did pull out ,which I don't think will happen, would we not need to pull out of the UN, something I know will not happen. You forget , out government likes the ECHR, as it is convenient for it, it throws the blame at them, instead of where it belongs most of the time.

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The ECHR appears to the general public to be in the main used by criminals and terrorists to either get themselves out of long sentences or to avoid deportation as shown by Hamza and his ilk....

 

If we could create a new paragraph somewhere that states that murderers and terrorists or any criminals for that matter, should be devoid of their human rights until such time as their debt to society is paid, that might sway the public opinion...... that does not affect a criminals rights to appeal and such like, it just does away with their ridiculous claims to a married life and rights to family and such nonsense....

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