asperity Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 We aren't living in the 1930's though are we.Thats what you both fail to understand. The world has changed immeasurably in the last century and the conditions that existed then just wouldn't be repeated, people today wouldn't stand for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 How would they have stopped it Asp, the Banks pure and simple under your scheme would simply not have been their, Their would have been no alternative but for the government to step in, Oh hang on a minute they did do, before the shit hit the fan, Looks like on occasion they can get things right. They simply had no choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 How would who have stopped what? You are talking nonsense as ever Lt Kije. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 Asp most of the banks had broken down completely, one of the few that didn't was Barclays, and it looks like they are in trouble about the way that they didn't ask for government help. Their just was not enough banks around under your scenario of letting them fail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 You are talking nonsense. The banking system did not break down. Salaries were paid into banks, supermarkets accepted debit card payments, you could withdraw money from ATMs. The events you describe must have been taking place in your alternative universe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 The point is Asp, YOU wanted to let them fail, and if they had failed we would have been in a bigger mess, NOW can you see why the government could not let them fail. Just look at the knock on consequences. Â Â It was not ideal, but their simply was no choice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 Why would we have been in a bigger mess? If the private sector (i.e. other banks) had been allowed to pick up the pieces and market forces prevailed the taxpayer wouldn't be in hock for the next several generations, the private sector would have had to forgo part of its bonuses for a few years instead. Why is it that you want the working man to pay for the mistakes of government all the time? I think you must be some sort of 5th columnist! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 What other banks, Asp, Please name some, They would be buying the banks and their dept ??????????????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 Google it Lt Kije, just google it (if your mobile lets you) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 Come on name some, Are you that frightened you cannot post some, Please remember that most of the British banks are still posting losses, So not a very good investment , even now a good few years later. Â Not on my mobile on my MAC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 The last financial "expert" I listened to, said the the Banks wouldn't be ripe for privatisation for a good few years yet, as they will take time to get back into the black. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 Getting back to the Eastliegh by-election - looks like Millipede has done a U-turn and is now apologising for Labour "getting it wrong" on immigration!  Sorry doesn't really do it Ed, the scale of the mess should warrant a ceremonial hari-kari on your part! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2013 and ..... seems the Tories are considering pulling out the ECHR, as well as having a referendum on EU membership - only if they get elected into Government of course. Recall both Tories and Labour promised an EU referendum before, but didn't deliver. Amazing how quickly extremes (according to some) can quickly become mainstream! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted March 9, 2013 Report Share Posted March 9, 2013 All 3 main parties have promised a referendum. If any of them ever deliver on the promise it will be a loaded one which would ensure more of the same. Liars to a man/woman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 10, 2013 Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 Does not the ECHR not inshrine some or lots of UN regulations?, So if we did pull out ,which I don't think will happen, would we not need to pull out of the UN, something I know will not happen. You forget , out government likes the ECHR, as it is convenient for it, it throws the blame at them, instead of where it belongs most of the time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted March 10, 2013 Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 I haven't forgotten. The government is also very much in favour of us remaining in the EU. Just goes to show that our government doesn't represent the will of the people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted March 10, 2013 Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 The ECHR appears to the general public to be in the main used by criminals and terrorists to either get themselves out of long sentences or to avoid deportation as shown by Hamza and his ilk.... Â If we could create a new paragraph somewhere that states that murderers and terrorists or any criminals for that matter, should be devoid of their human rights until such time as their debt to society is paid, that might sway the public opinion...... that does not affect a criminals rights to appeal and such like, it just does away with their ridiculous claims to a married life and rights to family and such nonsense.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 10, 2013 Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 In general Baz, I have not got a problem with your last statement 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 But we won't be allowed to ammend it; and in any case, the main problem is it's interpretation by Euro-Judges; who are basically dictating OURÂ National policy through case law. The only way is to get out of it altogether. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 10, 2013 Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 Obs  See my post on EHCR and UN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 The "UN" is a red herring, the ECHR came about by Treaty; just like the successive modifications to the EU - to severe Treaty obligations one has to renage on such Treaties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 thought the UN came about by treaties Obs, and its not a Red Herring, The ECHR puts some UN statements into law. Its just convenient tool for some to pass the buck. Including yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 Statements arn't "law". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 Read what I wrote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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