observer Posted March 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 Seems that "group hug" didn't do much for the luvvies then?! Still defaming those with differing opinions to their own; well it appears the opinions of UKIP have an increasing resonance with public opinion, which is why they are not just a threat to the Tories, but also to Labour - folk are dissillutioned with all three main Parties, who've not only failed to deal with their concerns over unlimited immigration, but are actually responsible for causing it in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 4, 2013 Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 We will see Obs, UKIP themselves say they are a centre right party, Labour have nothing to fear, they are a party of protest, a bit like the Greens were. And as the poll you are ignoring says, 8 out of 10 who voted for them said they would vote Tory in a general election, Says it all really Obs, But if it gets you excited Obs, you carry on trying to talk them up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted March 4, 2013 Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 Labour put us in the mire in the first place, the Tories don't seem to have any idea how to get us out of it, and the Liebour plan would seem to be more of the same that put us in the mire in the first place (it didn't start in America, it started in Gordon's deranged head with a lot of help from Ed Balls). So Lt Kije your solution is? Oh sorry, obviously more EU, and probably join the Eurozone? Great stuff - not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 Not talking them up at all; folk are turning away from the main Parties in frustration and desperation, and for you to couch it in terms of a right v left scenario, suggests your out of touch with grass roots opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 4, 2013 Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 Did they Asp, So Labour were responsible for the bank crisis, I thought it started in America with sub prime, intresting theory you have about it starting in Browns head, would you enlighten us all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 4, 2013 Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 Obs, Think you will find its you that is out of touch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 Oh, and my Dad's bigger than your Dad - grow up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted March 4, 2013 Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 Well you must have slept through Gordon spending more than we were earning Lt Kije. You really need to stop reading newspapers and watching the BBC news. The banks are a good scapegoat and were rewarded by Gordon by being bailed out. So Lt financial and political expert Kije, your solution to our problems is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted March 4, 2013 Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 Going to bed now by the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 So it did not start in the USA then Asp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 So you have no solutions to our problems Lt KIje? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 Sorry Asp, can you give us some more info on your monumental conclusion that Mr Brown is responsible, I think the whole World will want to know that it was Gordon's fault. As to resolutions break up the banks, make them smaller so they can be allowed to fail, and stop the reckless gambling that goes on in some of them. And stop bonuses for failing, If you sunk your ship due to being reckless I would think you would loose any bonuses. People working in banks expect bonuses for turning in. What would you have done, beside shoot Mr Brown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 I'm saying that the banks were never "too big to fail" and should have been left to market forces to sort out. The whole financial disaster has been caused by too much government interference not too little. What is needed is less government and not more. But that doesn't sit well with your Europhile outlook does it Lt Kije, after all you can't get bigger than world government which is where the EUSSR is leading us. Okay if a bank fails the shareholders suffer some pain, but better that than the whole country. Gordon Brown must rank as the most incompetent Chancellor of the Exchequer in history. Next to him the boy Osbourne looks like a financial genius (unfortunately he isn't). Bonuses in my job? You get to keep your job if the company (never mind the ship!) manages to stay afloat. It's a real world out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 What would you have done, beside shoot Mr Brown. it would have been a start.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 You are completely wrong Asp. It was lack of good legislation that help fuel the crisis, if the banks had failed who would have paid all the pensions, as pension schemes had lots of money invested in the banks. To be honest Asp I would have liked the banks to have be allowed to fail, but the consequences of them failing would have been to drastic on everyone. The Tories and Labour should not have slowed the banks to become the monsters they became, they both received vast amounts of money in taxes from them when they were in power, and did not question anything the banks did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
safeway60 Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 Great idea...Let the banks go bust and lose all your money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 What you mean to say is that in your opinion I'm wrong. Well in my opinion the consequences of not allowing the banks to fail have been disasterous because the pain is still ongoing, will continue for many more years and the signal has gone out that the government will use taxpayers money to bail out financial institutions. Not good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 Great idea...Let the banks go bust and lose all your money. A naiive view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 And what of people's money in those banks, people's pension schemes, Money from businesses to pay wages ect Asp, if the banks had gone under? Who would have paid pensions, where and how would people get their savings ? It is you who are naive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 The Financial Services Compensation Scheme will compensate you for up to £85,000 per financial institution. The run on the Northern Rock began because naiive people weren't aware that their money wasn't going to disappear in a puff of smoke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 What of Businesses, pension schemes? And people than had over. £ 850000, plus the fact that compensation scheme takes time, people need food, so unless you had money under the mattress, where would shops do with their end of day takings? Ect, ect ect??????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 What of Businesses, pension schemes? And people than had over. £ 850000, plus the fact that compensation scheme takes time, people need food, so unless you had money under the mattress, where would shops do with their end of day takings? Ect, ect ect??????? surely people with more than £85,000 would be fair game to you Kije..... surely you would think it was their own fault for having so much money and not sharing it with your centre and lefty mates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 Lt Kije you are talking like a hysterical housewife. The scenario you are painting is a complete breakdown of the whole banking system. The real world doesn't operate like that. Real money doesn't exist outside of a computer database, the banks don't have huge great safes in the basement with all their customers money in cash you know. The world wouldn't come to a sudden halt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 IF the Banks had been allowed "to fail", we would have seen a repetition of the Great Depression of the 30s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 yes we would Obs, but again Asp just sweeps over what he does not understand!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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