Horse burgers

[Bazj]

Did you know that the EU was ready to bring in legislation which would have made it illegal to drive any car built after 1960 that wasn't exactly the same specification as it left the factory? It would have rendered as scrap virtually EVERY classic and modified car in the EU and destroyed an industry worth billions!!! It would have even brought into question the legality of the cars the likes of the Queen and government ministers drive because the majority are modified after leaving the production line by specialist vehicle companies.... even Police cars may have become illegal!!

 

It was only stopped at the eleventh hour after intense lobbying to our MP's by hundreds of classic car clubs.... These idiots that dictate to us really haven't got a clue!!

[Lt Kije]

Not heard that Baz, Its probably propaganda where did you hear about it?

[observer]

[Lt Kije]

Here is the actual legislation Baz, and what they are proposing for the MOT, which would affect old and modified cars, not what the Mail and the Telegraph were saying at all, Job done for them, as they got people believing the directive was more than it actually is, You made the the same mistake as Asp made, you believed what you had heard about the directive, it's nothing like what the papers were saying.

 

The Mail and the Telegraph are Tory anti European papers, it is in their interest to make mountains out of EU legislation. It is in people's interest to know what they do. How are we to have a fair and level debate about the EU, when we have our press doing this, and people willing to take it in as gospel truth.

 

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=COM%3A2012%3A0380%2851%29%3AFIN%3AEN%3APDF

You will soon spot that most of this is very similar to the same MOT but there are a few interesting bits:

 

1.41: Testing handbrake on brake rollers or test drive and apply while driving....That'll be fun

 

5.23 Tyre size, load capacity, approval

mark or speed rating not in

accordance with the requirements(1)

and effecting road safety. Think that already stands.

 

6.17 Fail for "Illegal power-train modification"

 

6.1.9 Engine performance Visual inspection

(a) Control unit illegal modified

( illegal engine modification

 

6.2.1 Cab and bodywork:(d) Inappropriate repair or modification.

 

6.2.6. Other seats Visual inspection.

( Seats fitted not in accordance with

requirements(1)..

 

7.1.2 Belts:© Safety-belt not in accordance with

the requirements(1).

 

8.1.1 Noise suppression

system

Subjective evaluation (unless the inspector

considers that the noise level may be borderline,

in which case a standing noise test using a noise

meter may be conducted)

(a) Noise levels in excess of those

 

8.4.1 Fluid leaks Visual examination Any excessive fluid leak likely to harm the

environment or to pose a safety risk to other road

users

 

"Requirements" ‘requirements’ are laid down by type-approval requirements at the date of approval, first

registration or first entry into service as well as retrofitting obligations or national legislation

in the country of registration.

 

Again sorry about the smilies, happened when I cut and pasted

[Bazj]

No Kije.... it isn't hype and scaremongering.... any modifications from original specification would result in an MOT failure and the inability to drive on public roads...... that is why EVERY classic and Historic vehicle club in the country were up in arms about it Kije.... It has nothing to do with your obsessive bashing of the Mail and the Express; these were genuine concerns from real people

 

One of the reasons they were worried is that the EU were trying to stop any car over 30 years old needing an MOT (Mine is 45 years old so wouldn't need one) providing it hasn't been modified from original factory specification... (Mine is absolutely as it came out of the factory with no modifications whatsoever)... so would still qualify for no MOT

 

Any vehicle which was found to have larger wheels, modified engine, different running gear, none original interior etc. etc. would then be required to be tested as a new car would and none would pass even the basic tests..... it is meddling for meddlings sake as always.

[Lt Kije]

Baz, see link to the legislation it's self and not the hype that surrounded it, sounds to me like the old chestnut about the bananas not being curved enough.

 

To be fair Baz, I think the legislation was more aimed at getting some off the Eastern European death traps off the road.

[Bazj]

Baz, see link to the legislation it's self and not the hype that surrounded it, sounds to me like the old chestnut about the bananas not being curved enough. To be fair Baz, I think the legislation was more aimed at getting some off the Eastern European death traps off the road.

 

quite possibly so, but in trying to uimpliment a blanket and euro wide regulation, they inadvertantly almost destroyed a £5 billion a year UK industry!!! They are all rank amateurs Kije and the sooner you realise that the better.... We need the referendum and we need to be free of their meddling once and for all..

[Cleopatra]

great going - from horseburgers to cars! But you can't eat cars.

[asperity]

Oh I dont know. Mustang anybody?

[safeway60]

Mitsubishi Colt is very tasty....Hooves a bit chewy though.

[Eagle]

The latest concern is that human DNA has been found in Welsh lamb.

That said, many of us have suspected this for years.

[Dizzy]

       

[asperity]

It seems that the main culprits for this fraud are food plants in France, Luxembourg and Germany and they include the food giant Nestle. Some of the companies involved like to describe their products as being produced for the upper end of the market which rather goes against the idea that horsemeat is being used to produce cheap meals for the lower end of the market.

 

Also it has been revealed that the Irish Food Safety authority only started checking for horse DNA after a tip off. The EU has the overall comptence for food safety in the EU area and as such has to take responsibility for the failure in this fraud, but don't hold your breath waiting for an apology from the EU commission (or from their apologists - Lt Kije).

[asperity]

The food fraud seems to be widespread across the EU, with meat and meat products containing horsemeat being found not only in the UK but also Ireland, France, Holland, Belgium, Italy, Denmark and Sweden. No doubt the EU Commission will claim that more regulation is required while ignoring the fact that all the regulation already in place has been a failure.

[Lt Kije]

Fraud is Fraud Asp, We have rules in the UK about all kinds of Fraud financial ect, but people still do it, I am not saying we need new rules but I think it does need looking at, Because it looks like this fraud was easy to do, It should be made harder, and the sentences should be more severe for the people who get court.

[Bazj]

horse meat found in IKEA meatballs now..... I wonder which bit of the horse they were taken from!!!

[Evil Sid]

In theory as long as they contain "meat" it does not matter what the meat is as long asd it is considered "edible". Could be gunea pig, rabbit, rat, cat or anypther animal.

 

By definition "Meatballs" are made of meat. Horse meat is meat so in a way they are not doing anything wrong by selling them.

 

Had they been called beefballs or porkballs then they would have a case to answer.

 

So how many people are now wondering about the spaghetti and meatballs.

[asperity]

It depends what it says on the label. IKEA meatballs are advertised as being beef and pork, no mention of horse. The fraud comes in because horsemeat is cheaper than beef. It would seem that once again the problem isn't lack of regulation but rather the regulations not being used as they should.

[observer]

Seems the problem is global; with the Chinese having a problem with alleged anti-biotics in KFCs, and now the Yanks with watered down beer.

[Lt Kije]

Global,

 

It you ask Asp, it's still the EU fault

[asperity]

Obviously the EU Food Safety Authority has no legal authority over China and the USA, but it does over the EU members. Straw man argument.

[Lt Kije]

So it's not the fault of the EU?

[observer]

It's primarily the fault of the S/markets; and the CEO of Tesco has finally come up with the idea, that they should "shorten their supply chains" and buy locally - well, they got there in the end!

[Dizzy]

What I don't get is why Tesco seem to be mentioned more just because they were one of the first and are srill getting all the stick even though a lot of other supermarkets and food shops have also been found to have horse meat in their stocked products too.

 

I guess in a weird way it's free advertising for Tesco though... every little helps eh ?     

[algy]

Seems the problem is global; with the Chinese having a problem with alleged anti-biotics in KFCs, and now the Yanks with watered down beer.

American beer has always been watered down obs!.