Americans and EU

[Lt Kije]

Again Asp, that would be you, I have provided some evidence, will you doe the same

[observer]

Those "buisiness leaders" Kije, wouldn't include the CEOs of Google, Amazon or Starbucks, would they?!

[asperity]

Lt Kije, your "evidence" consists solely of the opinion of one pro EU blogger. Not at all convincing. If there was no advantage to being in the EEA and outside the EU then why on earth would Norway not become full members of the EU. Perhaps they have more control of their politicians than we have, this is certainly the case in Switzerland!

[Lt Kije]

To be honest Obs I don't no. But I do know that lot of British Industrial leaders want us in. Nice try at trying to muddy the waters though.

[asperity]

Lt Kije, the little snippet below is taken from a report by the EEA Joint Parliamentary Committee of 27/11/12 and concerns some proposed EU regulation of the offshore oil industry:

 

 

The Norwegians don't like it (because of the costs involved) so they are not going to accept it. Simple. The UK, on the other hand, will have to accept it whether they like it or not. And don't forget that most of the countries in the EU don't have an offshore oil industry so won't be affected by any regulations that they put in place!!!!

[Lt Kije]

Might be worth a read

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/matspersson/100022087/brixit-why-the-norwegian-model-simply-wouldnt-work-for-the-uk/

[asperity]

From the above article:

 

Norway implements roughly 75 per cent of all EU laws

 

So not all of them then. And a lot of these laws are international, being produced by a wide range of countries outside of the EU and with input from Norway.

[Lt Kije]

So you read all the article, and you would accept that for the UK?

[asperity]

The writer of the article, Matts Persson is a well known Europhile who wants to stay in the EU, albeit with some changes to the setup which won't happen in a month of Sundays. But being able to remove ourselves from the daylight robbery of the CAP and CFP like Norway would be a boost for Britain.

[Lt Kije]

So you would accept the same terms as Norway?

[asperity]

I should imagine the terms would have to be negotiated rather than just accepted, but Cameron doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of renogotiating our terms of imprisonment while we're still members of the EUSSR whatever he likes to claim to the contrary. There is a way out and that is article 50 of the Lisbon treaty (you know, that one Brown signed when he thought everyone had gone home and weren't looking).

[Lt Kije]

Do you mean EEA terms. Do you think they would let us, I can not beleive you would go for still paying into the EU. You would never accept us in the EEA Asp.

[asperity]

There is a school of thought that if Britain were to leave the EU and join the EEA some other countries might like to do the same. The EUSSR is not as universally loved as you would like to believe.

[Mary]

Yes Peter I did - although I opted to work rather than spend 5 hours on the road visiting outlaws. How as your Christmas?

[Lt Kije]

I think your school of thought is restricted to yourself a a few on here, I notice you did not answer

[observer]

Restricted to two thirds of the population methinks - but will they vote that way?

[Lt Kije]

As Asp is not answering, would you join the EEA Obs?

[observer]

I voted against joining the "common market" at the last referendum, now it's a "European Union" - all done without a vote by the Plebs. So I'd be wary of joining anything in the future, unless it was clearly in OUR National interest, and subject to regular ratification/rejection by "the people"..

[Peter T]

Yes Peter I did - although I opted to work rather than spend 5 hours on the road visiting outlaws. How as your Christmas?

 

 

 

Nice and quiet thank you Mary. Xmas dinner at Lisa's.

[asperity]

And another example of how we would be better off out of the EUSSR: We have a successful motor manufacturing industry with a large amount of exports. Regulations for international motor vehicle standards are decided by the  UNECE World Forum for Harmonisation of Vehicle Regulations which has 57 signatories including Norway. As only the EU Commission can legislate on trade matters, not individual members of the EU, the UK has no independent say in the regulation of standards for motor vehicle manufacturing. Norway, on the other hand, while not having a car industry to speak of, does have a say in such regulation.

 

Better off out? You bet!

[Lt Kije]

Norway implements 75% of EU law Asp, including all of the working time directive

[asperity]

The point, Lt Kije, is that the working time directive is just the EU implementation of worldwide regulations drawn up internationally, and Norway has had a say in the drawing up of these international regulations whereas the UK hasn't because we are stuck in the EU and only have a small influence in what is being drawn up. In other words Norway, by not being part of the EU, has more say in the drawing up of the regulations that rule our lives than we do ourselves. Norway can also not implement parts of regulations they don't like but we cannot.  And for this we pay the EUSSR? Better off out by far!

[observer]

Try comparing the pros and cons between existing members of the EU.  Bulgaria for example, where life is so good, that later this year, a sunami of economic refugees will be heading for the UK , looking for work or our benefits system.  These dependent Countries rely on net handouts from Brussels, paid for by the net payments of the N/Europeans (incl the UK).  We a paying to bring their economic infrastructure into the 21st century, while our own is neglected through lack of cash. That's the basis of the EU. Then you can discuss the millions being wasted on the EU budget, and the absurdities of the EU Parliament moving from Brussels to Strasbourg, and back every month etc etc.

[Lt Kije]

The UK did have a say in the working time directive, it opted out of some of it Asp. Or had you forgot. Norway could not.

[Peter T]

The UK did have a say in the working time directive, it opted out of some of it Asp. Or had you forgot. Norway could not.

 

The UK did have a say in the working time directive, it opted out of some of it Asp. Or had you forgot. Norway could not.

Don't know about opting out. Because of the working week being greater in cases of 12/15 hour shifts, they found a way around the wording. Pity they couldn't strive to do the same with the rest of the stuff from the EU.