Americans and EU

[Lt Kije]

Looks like the Americans can see the bigger picture

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20961651

 

Theirs a lot of inwardly looking people on this forum

[inky pete]

The US with their trade embargoes of anyone who threatens to undercut US industries, their refusal to pay what they owe for their UN membership whilst insisting that the UN must remain in New York, and their total disregard for global public opinion, are worried about the UK becoming inward looking merely for thinking about telling the Germans and French that we still remember '14-'18 and '39-'45 and to get stuffed with their invasion by stealth?????

[Lt Kije]

The US with their trade embargoes of anyone who threatens to undercut US industries, their refusal to pay what they owe for their UN membership whilst insisting that the UN must remain in New York, and their total disregard for global public opinion, are worried about the UK becoming inward looking merely for thinking about telling the Germans and French that we still remember '14-'18 and '39-'45 and to get stuffed with their invasion by stealth?????

 

 

Think you need a history lesson inky, The French and Germans were on opposite sides in both the Wars you mentioned

[inky pete]

The French continue to do what they've always done. Surrender to the Germans at the first opportunity, collaborate like mad in order to ingratiate themselves with their new masters, and when they get "liberated" they just pretend that they were all heroes of the Resistance all along.

 

Someone once said that "if one tenth as many Frenchmen who claim to have been in the Resistance had ever actually fought against the Germans, then there would never have been any need for a Resistance!"

[observer]

As Kisinger said "we (the US) don't have friends, we have interests" - which sums up US policy. I'd have thought the days of the UK being a US stooge under the guise of "the special relationship" would now have worn a bit thin, especially after being dragged into futile wars by them, in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[Mary]

4 January 2013

 

Cameron pledges 'real change' on EU at next election Mr Cameron will set out his party's long-term European policy shortly.

 

 

The Conservatives will offer voters the prospect of "real change" in the UK's relationship with Europe at the next election, David Cameron has said.

 

The prime minister said his party could "go further" in forging a new basis for co-operation if it was governing alone, rather than in a coalition as now.

 

Mr Cameron is to make a long-awaited speech on Europe, with many of his MPs calling on him to pledge a referendum.

 

The UK was better off inside the EU but changes were needed, he told the BBC.

 

Mr Cameron has said steps to closer economic integration in the eurozone stemming from the euro crisis will necessarily alter relationships within the EU.

 

He believes there will be opportunities for the UK to recalibrate its relationship with the EU, further protecting British interests in areas such as the single market and financial services but also potentially repatriating certain powers.

 

THIS WAS HIS SPEECH BEFORE THE ONE ABOVE - IF I AM WRONG THE US RESPONSE WAS TO HIS ORIGINAL SPEECH NOT TELLING CAMERON ANYTHING!

[Davy51]

It seems the Yanks would like someone available to do its bidding from afar to influence Euro policies. It is interesting to note that US involvement in the Arab spring & its aftermath has ,on the face of it, been from afar as well. Is this to be a new role for America as grand puppet master .

[observer]

It's been "grand puppet master" since 1918 - it's the privilage of Empire.

[Lt Kije]

Inky, I can see history is not your strong point. I don't remember the French surrendering in the First World War, And in the fall of France in the second, the British were roundly beaten as well, The Germans tricked both armies to go into Belgium and then cut round the back of both, through the Ardennes.

 

Back on topic, it could be the Americans can see the bigger picture.

[asperity]

There are a lot of lies being told by the Europhiles about how Britain wouldn't have any say in the rules if we left the EU. This is simply not true. If we were members, like Norway, of the EEA we would have just as much, if not more, input into the trading rules than we do now with the added advantage of not having to pay billions to the EU. Invoke article 50 of the Lisbon treaty Cameron and stop lying to us!!

[Lt Kije]

Here you go Asp

 

http://www.jcm.org.uk/blog/2011/05/why-britain-leaving-the-eu-for-the-eea-or-efta-will-not-solve-any-of-the-anti-eu-crowds-complaints/

[asperity]

This is simply one man's OPINION and he repeats the lie about EEA members having no say in the formation of rules and regulations and having to blindly follow any that Brussels presents to them. Not true.

[asperity]

To get back to the subject of this thread, why should the British Government act in the best interests of the US administration? Surely the job of the British Government is to act in the best interests of Britain, a job it has clearly failed to do for the last half century and more.

[observer]

I find it interesting that the Irish and Germans, as well as some big buisness names are now throwing their hats in the ring to defend our membership of the EU. As with the US, I suggest it's in THEIR interests that we remain a member, but not necessarilly in OURS.

[observer]

I notice that the Irish PM and the Germans, as well as some big names from the buisiness community are jumping in to defend our membership of the EU. I would suggest that they are defending THEIR own interests NOT ours.

[asperity]

I presume by "the Irish" you mean the Irish government not the Irish people, who are mightily peed off by the way their leaders have kowtowed to the EU.

[observer]

I notice the Irish PM, the Germans and some big names from the buisiness community are now jumping in to defend our membership of the EU. I would suggest, like the US, they are acting in their own interests rather than that of the UK populace.

[Mary]

So my post went unnoticed?

[observer]

I said "Irish PM" Asp (3 times it seems!) The Irish people made their thoughts known in a referendum but were brow beaten into a second referendum by Brussels and their supporting clique; which is a good indicator as to how money and power will be used to sway the vote, IF we do have a referendum on the EU.

[Lt Kije]

As Business leaders employ people Obs, yes it is their interests to stay in along with the interests of the people they employ. It's only people that cannot see, and the small minded that want out.

[Lt Kije]

Asp would you care to prove he is lying, and would you tell us how much money EEA pay into the EU, and I think you will find they still have to go by EU laws and have no say on changing or drafting them.

[observer]

Well you've changed your tune re: "buisiness leaders" Kije, so they set up in buisiness for the sole benevolent purpose of employing folk do they?   Or do they start a buisiness to make profits for themselves or their share holders, wherever they can be made?.  Just in case you've totally lost the plot, you may notice that we're currently in recession at the moment, with less than 1% growth; Italy, Spain and Greece are even worse off - not exactly a good advert for EU membership eh?! Most ordinary Brits recognise that the EU is an expensive joke (on us), but the rich and the powerfull will no dobt try to frighten them to death in the run up to any referendum; and if Brussels doesn't get the right answer. they'll make us do it again until we give them the answer they want!

[Mary]

Well alright then!

[asperity]

Lt Kije, I wouldn't accuse YOU of lying, but Cameron is either lying or has been and is being very badly advised. EEA members do have a very large say in the rules and laws that they follow as most trading rules are global, not just inter EU. And they do NOT have to follow them if they are not in their own interest. As usual you think that just by saying something that makes you right. You aren't.

[Peter T]

Well alright then!

Don't worry about it Mary. It's nearly spring and the testosterone is rising. Did you have a good xmas?