observer Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 Bit of a to-do over the latest back to work figures from Gov. 3.5% instead of 5.5%. But for a flag ship Gov policy, isn't a 5.5% target a rather low ambition in the first place, and how much is it costing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 I don't know what figures you're referring to Obs, but in a time of recession isn't any back to work figure welcome? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 I presume the target was around 5% of current unemployed, I just thought 5% is a rather unambitious target that's all. btw. How does it work nowadays? If an employer want's staff, do they contact the job centre an advertise? In which case, anyone without a job (and willing to work) should at least be able to fill the jobs that are available - or is that too simple? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 The first bugger they should get into work is Abu Quatada then the general public would not be paying to keep him fed and watered and in a nice big house free of rent. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 I don't know what figures you're referring to Obs, but in a time of recession isn't any back to work figure welcome? Suppose it depends how much it costs, really: None of welfare-to-work scheme's 18 contractors reached target of getting 5.5% of clients a job for at least six months A4e's got a contract of around £438m, and they've got about 490 people in to long term jobs (ie >6 months): I'd like to think there's better ways of spending that kind of money. Oh, and if 5.5% is ambitious enough, it begs the question if it's a contract worth negotiating. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Correct me if i'm wrong , but isn't it the job of the Department of Employment to get these people into work so why should lucrative work be given away to third parties to find jobs for the unemployed.No doubt most of these jobs will turn out to be fixed term agency work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 So, based on Fugh's figures, we're paying nearly a £million per job found? As I asked; what's wrong with employers advertising vacancies in the job centre, where unemployed folk can see them and apply? IF, the reality is, that there arn't any jobs; then why doesn't the Gov spend the money on economic stimuli, like major (much needed) infrastructure projects, that will generate employment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevofaz25 Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 The Jobcentre find jobs for plenty of people every day- think these agencies are there for "long-term" unemployed who have specific issues? Many of them are being encouraged to start up their own businesses with little experience of working for themselves merely to get them off the books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 So, based on Fugh's figures, we're paying nearly a £million per job found? As I asked; what's wrong with employers advertising vacancies in the job centre, where unemployed folk can see them and apply? IF, the reality is, that there arn't any jobs; then why doesn't the Gov spend the money on economic stimuli, like major (much needed) infrastructure projects, that will generate employment? we advertised in the job centre once.... and got applications from as far away as Essex for manual jobs in and around Warrington. Apparently the job centres have to advertise your job all over the country (evvn if you don't want them to) and the crafty southerners (or vice-cersa) apply for these jobs even though they know they will never get even an interview let alone the job itself! This helps them tell the DHSS that they have ticked all the boxes for applying and looking for work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Another arguement for local jobs for local labour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 Thought this was pertinent: ...unemployment is caused by the unemployed not wanting to work. It's on the back of this kind of flawed rhetoric that politicians can award lucrative contracts to their mates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 Fugs.... you also get the likes of Kije who claim that "our" people don't want to work and so letting in millions of Eastern European migrants to fill those jobs is a good idea Maybe we should try the "kick out the economic migrants back to their own economies and let's get our own people into those jobs" approach A lot of the problems caused with East Europeans is the unscroupulous employers who will employ skilled foreign tradesmen on minimum wage which then forces our own tradesmen out of work.... it is a terrible situation and one that doesn't seem to be addressable without someone or other calling people racist for being concerned about it... Maybe at the moment, we are all very happy on here, we all seem to have reasonable jobs etc. but what about our kids? with an ever expanding migrant population (Net migration was up another 186,000 in the last quarter)... the migrants not only undercut the jobs market, but eventually, their kids will be competing with ours for work.... the situation will become intolerable and trouble will ensue..... it is only a matter of time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 I am very "unhappy" about it, but all I get told on here is that I am living in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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