observer Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 Seems the lefty liberal luvvies in Rotheram Social Services Dept, don't believe a UKIP couple were proper foster parents for some imigrant kids - several layers of irony here! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeborn John Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 Presumably the same people who managed to miss the organised 'grooming' and sexual abuse of under aged girls in the town for twenty years, in spite of it being reported to them. Repeatedly. Odd that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry hayes Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 I agree that it seems over the top but social workers can't win whatever they do. Are the press doing the right thing by exposing failings here, there and everywhere, or does examining your navel become counter productive? - and breed mistrust. Human failings have always been with us. Happy days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 This attitude in Rotherham is what you would expect from the likes of China ,North Korea or pre glasnost Russia.What right have Social Services to question political views of people who have gone to a lot of time & trouble to give less fortunate kids a better start in life. All UKIP is is a refuge for voters who are frustrated & disillusioned with the efforts of the mainstream parties concerning their attitude to getting out of Europe.It is amazing that a Social Services department that is no doubt influenced by Euro doctrine on the rights of the minorities should take this attitude against a couple who are a minority with regard to UKIP membership. This could be an interesting case for the ECHR ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 Seems the stimulus for this bizare decision making, came from comments from a Judge (where else!) on a previous case, suggesting that the culture and language of immigrants should be protected. Fine IF the kids were to be returned to their native homeland ASAP, which should be the case imo, in which case, they wouldn't require fostering. However, IF for whatever reason they are given legal reason to stay; then an upbringing in the English language and culture is even more important - it's called integration and assimilation. It just demonstrates the extent to which common sense has been replaced by airy fairy PC notions of multi-culturalism, with demographic groups being consigned to seperate silos - something the PM now finally recognises. Question is, will he be doing anything about it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 Wouldn't you like to foster a couple of polish kids osberver, or maybe a couple of sudanese boys? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 Are you not going to give them any credit, they are investigating the whole affair Out of all the children fostered in the UK, Obs, you find one case that suits your purposes and exploit it, As Harry say mistakes are made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 "One case" that happens to be all over the news at the moment - hence the discussion. What hasn't been divulged is, how did these kids arrive here, and IF illegally, whether they will be sent back home? The UKBF is clearly not fit for purpose, possibly due to under funding and under staffing, and a lack of legal teeth by successive Governments. And as if to rub salt in the wound, we're due to receive another wave of "legal" immigrants from Romania and Bulgaria, courtesy of the EU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 You got all that crap from one case? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 "One case" that happens to be all over the news at the moment - hence the discussion. What hasn't been divulged is, how did these kids arrive here, and IF illegally, whether they will be sent back home? The UKBF is clearly not fit for purpose, possibly due to under funding and under staffing, and a lack of legal teeth by successive Governments. And as if to rub salt in the wound, we're due to receive another wave of "legal" immigrants from Romania and Bulgaria, courtesy of the EU. So Obs ,don't we know how the kids came to need foster care ? Are they orphaned,parent ill or parents in custody for some reason ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 Steady on, that's a multiple choice question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 I was going to accept your "one case" arguement for a minute Kije; then I thought; if we've got a rogue PC Judge pontificating the same nonesense on all the cases that appear before him; being taken seriously by a Social Services Dept; it's probable that this was the policy of that Dept; and the only reason we've heard about it, is cos they ran up against a couple who were prepared to put up, rather than shut up. Wavy: No idea, that's why I asked the question. There have been cases of teenagers entering this country (unaccompanied by adults) and presenting themselves at Town Halls. There appears to be no system of automatic re-patriation, which would take a matter of days - at the moment, the UKBF have a back-log of cases pending, going back years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 Obs, if your one PC judge turns out to be true, how many cases of this kind do you think he has judged in one year? And as UKIP are a very small party, how many of those cases have involved their members? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 Well, as the Social Serv Dept based their reasoning on a decision by this Judge on a previous case, it seems his opinion counted with the Dept. As for UKIP, there was a clear presumption on the part of social workers with regard to it's policies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 Come on Obs tell us all how many cases have their been. 1? 2? 3? Or more?, You base your theory on these, recent history shows when social services get it wrong they are crucified. They are damned if they do and you are now damned ifwhen they don't. Just what is it you want. No system is perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 No, I base my opinion on the opinion of a liberal luvvie Judge, who doesn't appear to have the common sense to realise that promoting seperate language and culture in this country is divisive; and I blame a Soc Serv Dept for taking notice of such tosh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 Yet another case of Obs taking an extreme and trying to pass it off as the norm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 So you accept it's "extremme"? This Judge obviously maintains this stupid opinion on all such cases before him, and the Soc Serv Dept had clearly took it up as policy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 Yes it is extreme, you passing on an extreme case and trying to pass it off as the norm, but it does show how desperate you are, to show off your extreme view of the world. Tells us more about you than anything else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 Poor UKIP in hot water again ! I see they are being criticised by the "happy breed" movement because one of it's members criticised the growing trend of gay couples adopting young children which could possibly give the child an unbalanced upbringing.It seems pretty rich of that movement that has pushed for so long to get a voice that it should admonish free speech by another minority group especially considering the MP is black. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 So Kije, we've got a Judge with an "extreme" opinion, and social workers with an "extreme" view of a political party. We have an immigration shambles at the moment, most folk know it; but as soon as anyone is prepared to voice a common sense opinion on the situation, the liberal luvvies shout them down with "racist" accusations. Why? Because they can't develope a rational arguement in support of the current fiasco, and prefer attempts to silence opposition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 You are, of course, correct Obs. Unfortunately the odds are against you because any opinion against the mainsteam is going to be decried as racist, or oddball or even plain lunatic (despite the fact that the lunatics have taken over the asylum). Keep smiling, it confuses them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 I would however dispute the suggestion that "they" are "the mainstream" Asp; but they've certainly taken over the assylum! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Asp, I find your comment hilarious , as you labeled anyone that did not agree with you as an anti Semite not very long ago. Obs, it is you with the extreme view, how many case have their been like this, one, it was a mistake, but to pass this one mistake off as the norm, as you are trying to do is wrong. Stop taking extremes to make your point. By doing so you are showing the weakness of your argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Is it extreme, to expect that no persons enter your Country illegally? Is it extreme, to expect (when caught), that they are returned to country of origin ASAP, and not allowed to languish here for years on £5 per day food vouchers, or become benefit reliant, or sleep in sheds or under bridges, or worse be abused by the sex industry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.