skittles Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 Why not just make Warrington a car free town and have done with it? I don't mind avoiding all of Warrington. Then do it! I too would happily avoid Warrington but I live here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Sid Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 Sounds good to me get all the idiot car drivers off the road so that I can ride my motorbike in peace 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 I live near to Smith Dr on a main road. Despite regular accidents (must learn to drive), speeding and some residence using the footpath as access to their drives the police do nothing! While we are on Smith Dr, for years buses have had problems emerging from Smith Dr by the park. Now there is a vacant lot on the corner maybe the opportunity to improve the junction should be taken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Parish Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 I live near to Smith Dr on a main road. Despite regular accidents (must learn to drive), speeding and some residence using the footpath as access to their drives the police do nothing! While we are on Smith Dr, for years buses have had problems emerging from Smith Dr by the park. Now there is a vacant lot on the corner maybe the opportunity to improve the junction should be taken. I did ask, especially when it seemed the current economic situation means they're not rushing to build the new bungalows on the site. There are plenty of drivers (including those turning right into Smith Drive!) who know to give the bus room to turn out. Cost of changing the layout (e.g. enough to enable buses to turn without swinging onto the other side of the road) and paying compensation for a CPO would be enormous for the benefit gained. Just a reminder that there was a scheme to create physical barriers to through traffic (one way streets etc) a few years ago, which had the support of most residents, but there were some objections, a Labour member missed the traffic committee and the Lib Dem and Conservative members supported the objection, and voted it down, and there seems little likelihood of getting an agreed scheme now. It's been interesting to see that whenever the residents demand enforcement, it raises the issue of why through traffic is banned - before alterations on Padgate Lane / Orford Road, it just sent more traffic along roads near Oakwood school. The traffic diverted onto Hallfields Road eventually needed the lights at the junction with Orford Green to avoid queues of people turning right. While we're at it, those lights, and the double mini-roundabouts at Norris Street, seem to me to be examples of where our traffic engineers got it right.... Queues still at school / rush hour, but way better than before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted October 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 Question, will Smith Drive become a 20mph road when the changes come in given it's on a bus route? And also are there any plans to lift any other transport restrictions such as road bumps? Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Parish Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 Question, will Smith Drive become a 20mph road when the changes come in given it's on a bus route? And also are there any plans to lift any other transport restrictions such as road bumps? Bill It will be within the 20 mph zone. http://www.warrington.gov.uk/info/200861/20mph_speed_limits/964/2_timetable_for_implementation And we'll not be spending money taking out humps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skittles Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 It's been interesting to see that whenever the residents demand enforcement, it raises the issue of why through traffic is banned - before alterations on Padgate Lane / Orford Road, it just sent more traffic along roads near Oakwood school. The traffic diverted onto Hallfields Road eventually needed the lights at the junction with Orford Green to avoid queues of people turning right. I an seriously confused now!!! There is no access from Smith Dr to Oakwood School, is there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted October 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 I think Ringo Dave brought Padgate Lane into the equation. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skittles Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 I think Ringo Dave brought Padgate Lane into the equation. Bill Oh thanks, understand now. So we are still searching for a good reason why Smith Dr is access only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 It will be within the 20 mph zone. http://www.warrington.gov.uk/info/200861/20mph_speed_limits/964/2_timetable_for_implementation And we'll not be spending money taking out humps. Cos you've spent all the money on this folly of a 20mph limit nonsense.... 7 or 800 grand to achieve a miniscule reduction in average speed limits and all because some lycra clad cycle mob think that roads should be shared spaces used by pedestrians and bikes as well as cars.... ignoring the fact that there are cycle lanes almost everywhere that none of them will use. When I was a kid, my mum and dad taught me some sense and told me not to walk in the road but to use the footpaths.... but that's another story! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 It will be within the 20 mph zone. http://www.warrington.gov.uk/info/200861/20mph_speed_limits/964/2_timetable_for_implementation And we'll not be spending money taking out humps. I am sure you could get volunteers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Parish Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 To clarify: to avoid Smith/Withers, the quickest way to Padgate from Norris Street was via Gorsey lane, then Steel St or Oakwood Ave - the latter still possible eastbound but only by negotiating fearsome humps but Steel St is now a cul-de-sac. It meant traffic was banned from wide residential roads and diverted along a narrow street past a school (and with the queues to get out at the top of Hallfields Road, before the lights went in, that wasn't an attractive alternative). 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazza1946 Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 "I need access officer because this is the way my sat nav brought me...." 'Well Officer.....No 68 is for sale.......I am just driving past to see if it's still for sale and to have a look at the outside' How do they prove otherwise? especially that No68 is for sale (and it is....I checked this morning !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skittles Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 It meant traffic was banned from wide residential roads and diverted along a narrow street past a school (and with the queues to get out at the top of Hallfields Road, before the lights went in, that wasn't an attractive alternative). rather then spending lots of money blocking off roads and putting in road humps why was the wide residential roads not reopened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lister Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 We need to put up with our street in Sankey being used extensively for learner driving, but I bet we can't get our street changed to access only. The streets near Smith Drive must be mad that they get extra traffic due to this restriction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted November 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 They don’t teach learner drivers to drive in dangerous areas, none the less some just don’t like “their” roads being used by those that don’t live there. That was one of the main arguments used in Paddington after all the other through routes between Woolston and Padgate had speed humps installed. Ironically, now that every route has speed bumps, we still have just as many learner drivers and through traffic so we’re exactly back where we started from. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 Bewsey has loads of learners and they have had humps for years... one in particular has a drop right after the hump and the top is scored with the underside of countless car engines! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted November 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 Think you might have missed my point Baz. Quiet residential roads, speed bumps or not, are where the driving schools tend to go but the residents then object. Bottom line is that it’s a nimby situation where they don’t want any traffic other than for residential access and while they’ll tell you this to your face, when it comes to applying to the council they say it’s all about speed and safety. It’s all too easy for a small nimby type group to approach a local councillor, play the safety card and they have to respond. An access only road ads value to a property and sadly many of those campaigning for them do so for this very reason. Bet this makes me popular. Bill 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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