algy Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 What amazes me is that it is well known that the more affluent councils patrol areas by helicopter to detect householders that have built structures on their properties without planning permission, these structures that have been assembled in back gardens must have been known about previously and yet have not been acted upon before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted September 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 They've known about "the sheds" for some time Alg; Councils would argue they've niether the powers or funding to tackle it. What's required is a clear policy to start with, ans then the means to carry it out. Kije, your pathetic arguement about "money" would suggest we hang a huge red light outside UK plc, and welcome any and all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 Pathetic, I don't think so, For the London Met alone 30 million, that is quite a gap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 Ahhhhhh! It's so nice to see you two back to normal. Had me worried for a while seeing Lt Kije and observer being ever so nice and in agreement with each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted September 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 The pathetic bit is the fact your prepared to sell our souls for a price! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 can you say "our souls" on here?? :grin: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 So you would sell our students souls, to get your way then Obs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 So you would sell our students souls, to get your way then Obs? they ain't "our" students KIje... they are students from foreign lands; some of whom when they go back, use their education to create jobs and businesses in their own countries that could eventually take work from "our" own workers...... Universities may have lost £30m but in the long term, educating your business rivals will eventually cost us a lot more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 They pay alot more money for their degrees Baz, and so subsidise our students, I got this from Oxford University International students Oxford's university community is truly international. Students currently come from 138 countries around the world and study a wide range of subjects. They make up one third of our student body, including 14 percent of our full-time undergraduate students and 63 percent of our full-time postgraduates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 can you say "our souls" on here?? :grin: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted September 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 Your arguement is pathetic Kije: your prepared to condone illegality, providing it's profitable - and on the basis of YOUR arguement, we might as well let the world come here - on the grounds it could make money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 I thought the point in question was foreigners coming to the UK on the pretext of being students but not, in fact, turning up for study but then working in the black economy which is not to our advantage economically or otherwise. Rules are rules, and they are not made to make illegal immigration easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 So your not going to say how you would fill the hole then Obs, would you up the student loan, or put it on tax payers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 I would imagine that most foreign students; once they have their visas, are hardly likely to pay £20,000 course fees and then go working for a fiver an hour in a takeaway and not bother going to study! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted September 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 Who says there will be "a hole" Kije? If a properly managed system is employed to ensure only bona fide students enter this country on time limited visas - no probs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 Not sure on that Baz, the London met said they got 30 million a year from foreign students, I think they may have to pay a year up front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inky pete Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 Not sure on that Baz, the London met said they got 30 million a year from foreign students, I think they may have to pay a year up front. ....and they fraudulently claimed £56 million from us taxpayers via the HEFCE in 2008/9 alone! Close them down and we're instantly £26 million a year better off. Hole, what hole?????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 The students claimed 56 million?, they pay to learn over here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inky pete Posted September 4, 2012 Report Share Posted September 4, 2012 They pay the university it's fees - £30 million a year you say. The university robbed £56 million off the taxpayer in a single year by claiming money for students who had dropped out. Any of the foreign students who dropped out and went to work in the black economy also robbed the taxpayer by not paying tax and NI on their earnings. Better off as a result? I don't see how anyone with a brain could claim that we are! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted September 4, 2012 Report Share Posted September 4, 2012 Better off as a result? I don't see how anyone with a brain could claim that we are! Kije thinks we are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted September 4, 2012 Report Share Posted September 4, 2012 The HEFC, The funding council inky, what planet are you on, we are talking about foreign student fees subsidising English students fees, perhaps you should put your brain in gear before continuing . The loss of students from outside the UK will effect English students unless the money they bring to universities is replaced. And on an other note parliament have condemned the border agency, and the London met are appealing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted September 4, 2012 Report Share Posted September 4, 2012 The Border Agency is damned if it does and damned if it doesn't. If the Border Agency had sat back and done nothing about the situation, and that came to light, those same mp's would be condemning them for that also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted September 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2012 You mean Kije; that our MPs are so unprincipled, that they place getting money above non-bonafide students getting into our Country - sort of explains why we've got an immigration shambles then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 Not at all Obs, have you ever thought in your small limited mind that the border agency might have got it wrong?, don't let your ignorance blind you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inky pete Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 So you think it's fine to just give a student visa to people without checking that they even speak the language that their course is to be taught in, and without checking that they even attend their course, simply because they pay the first instalment of the fees up front? And you think it's just fine for a university to not even check that its foreign students actually have permission to be in the country? An employer would rightly face massive fines for employing someone with no right to be here, but it's just fine for a university to stuff it's student body and fraudulently inflate its block grant (which is based on TOTAL student numbers) to do so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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