Nick Tessla Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 Mote Hill Court in Warrington , near St Elphins. Assuming this street name isn't just a modern invention, is "mote" a spelling variation on "motte" - as in motte and bailey? My apologies if this has already been dealt with on this forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 Mote is a small particle, an atom. Motte is a mound forming the site of a castle. There was in days gone bye a castle behind St Elphin's Church. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 I know it isn't the same area but there is a Moat Lane in Rixton . Don't know if it could relate to some castle or fortified manor being situated there at some time in history.Just thought it might be of interest to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 I know it isn't the same area but there is a Moat Lane in Rixton . Don't know if it could relate to some castle or fortified manor being situated there at some time in history.Just thought it might be of interest to you. No castle at Rixton but there was a Rixton Manor first mentioned in 1212 AD and owned by Alan de Rixton. Warrington Castle is on a slight prominence 250 yd north of the bank of the River Mersey, overlooking a ford and its approaches. The motte was surrounded by a ditch and oval in shape, measuring 161 by 128 ft and survives to a height of 8 ft 10 in in 1908. The bailey was defended by a rampart and ditch. It was probably built in the Norman period, and the residence of the Lords of the Manor of Warrington until they moved to Bewsey Hall in Burtonwood. Warrington Castle was the largest motte-and-bailey castle in Lancashire. By 1587, the castle was in a state of decay. Although the site was reused in the English Civil War, it otherwise slips out of records after 1587 and was probably left derelict. No trace of the castle remains, and the site is occupied by a park. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 The Boteler family (once called 'Le Boteleur') lived in the Castle at Mote Hill behind the St Elphins Parish Church until 1260 when it was destroyed by fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 The Boteler family (once called 'Le Boteleur') lived in the Castle at Mote Hill behind the St Elphins Parish Church until 1260 when it was destroyed by fire They also owned Rixton Manor in 1212 and Alan de Rixton rented off them, if I'm not mistaken I think the Patten family had Rixton Manor in the 1860's, how long it lasted after that I'm not sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 No castle at Rixton but there was a Rixton Manor first mentioned in 1212 AD and owned by Alan de Rixton. Warrington Castle is on a slight prominence 250 yd north of the bank of the River Mersey, overlooking a ford and its approaches. The motte was surrounded by a ditch and oval in shape, measuring 161 by 128 ft and survives to a height of 8 ft 10 in in 1908. The bailey was defended by a rampart and ditch. It was probably built in the Norman period, and the residence of the Lords of the Manor of Warrington until they moved to Bewsey Hall in Burtonwood. Warrington Castle was the largest motte-and-bailey castle in Lancashire. By 1587, the castle was in a state of decay. Although the site was reused in the English Civil War, it otherwise slips out of records after 1587 and was probably left derelict. No trace of the castle remains, and the site is occupied by a park. Is that likely to have been near where the original ford across the river would have & would that have been round about where Howley weir is Algi? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 Is that likely to have been near where the original ford across the river would have & would that have been round about where Howley weir is Algi? The site was a few hundred yards east of St Elpins Parish Church, see maps below. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 Roughly where the new school is or the fields behind the same? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 Roughly where the new school is or the fields behind the same? I would say so Peter, I don't believe anyone could be precise, unless the museum has information!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadako Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 If it helps you, I made a documentary on the topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 Some maps show the line of the old Roman road, which aligns with the ford - presume the Norman (wooden) fort would have been close enough to control the ford crossing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 If it helps you, I made a documentary on the topic. It certainly would!, any chance of having a 'look see'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadako Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 Yes...its has dodgy sound in places and was filmed on a cheap camera. I'll did it out and put on YouTube Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 Can you hurry up please Sadako Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 Can you hurry up please Sadako I second that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadako Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 Ha ha found it and its shockingly bad. It's already been put on youtube and there is only the first 10 mins. It only mentions the castle. The rest is on Church Street. It's called 'Roads to the Past: Church street'. Let me know if you can't find it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadako Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 Type in TJmackey2 in YouTube and you can find it there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 Type in TJmackey2 in YouTube and you can find it there Thanks Sadako, I shall sit down later and watch it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 Unlike Algy I had to look straight away and I think I found it Sadako (or did I?) If it's this one then I'm really impressed and not one I have seen before and I watched every single minute of it. Really interesting from start to finish. I played Mark Olly's drums a few times in his parents garage a long time ago not that he will probably remember now of course ha ha https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-1x0xTU-_4&list=UUUgCcZWe5d5u0C0g4VRtsfA&index=2&feature=plcp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 Unlike Algy I had to look straight away and I think I found it Sadako (or did I?) If it's this one then I'm really impressed and not one I have seen before and I watched every single minute of it. Really interesting from start to finish. I played Mark Olly's drums a few times in his parents garage a long time ago not that he will probably remember now of course ha ha https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-1x0xTU-_4&list=UUUgCcZWe5d5u0C0g4VRtsfA&index=2&feature=plcp Dizz, I would have thought anyone who met you would never forget you, no matter what age you were. :grin: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadako Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 Ha ha. I will have to ask him. You got the right one. I couldn't paste the link as I'm on my phone. Glad you liked it although I'm not sure what happened to the rest of it. If your interested, watch the Chelsea pensioner documentary called 'Scarlet Soldiers'. I produced and edited that one. It's In about 5 parts though on YouTube lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 Ha ha. I will have to ask him. You got the right one. I couldn't paste the link as I'm on my phone. Glad you liked it although I'm not sure what happened to the rest of it. If your interested, watch the Chelsea pensioner documentary called 'Scarlet Soldiers'. I produced and edited that one. It's In about 5 parts though on YouTube lol. Sadako, excellent content, learned something new tonight, I never knew that Cromwell was a Freemason. Just goes to show your never too old to learn!. :grin: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadako Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 Thanks algy. That's what Mr. Olly and my research concluded. I would love to remake it to improve the quality and possibly go into more detail. The idea was to begin at one side of the street and to finish at the other side; church to church. I'd love to film other parts of Warrington too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 Dizz, I would have thought anyone who met you would never forget you, no matter what age you were. :grin: Algy, you're not wrong there. I haven't met, but I can't forget her no matter how hard I try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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