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Culcheth Shooting....


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Let's not get too paranoid about this.

First, this was not a "local" incident really. It seems to be one that spilled over from Greater Manchester. And we all know what Manchester is like!

 

Secondly, yes, there ARE people who are afraid to go out at night. But not, generally, afraid to go out in places like Culcheth. It is Warrington town centre of a night which people fear. That is why a lot of the decent businesses in the town centre are suffering - because it is their customers who are staying away.

 

If you want to succeed in business in the town centre of a night then you have to open a bar or club - and in doing so attract the very people who are making the decent people afraid to go there!

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Thirty odd years ago, I gave a talk at the Cairo street chapel. The lady in charge apologised for the poor attendance as the ladies were frightened to walk through the town centre in the evening - particularly the Sankey street precinct.

 

Some of the fear of crime is real, but old age thought process is a big part of the problem.

 

Happy days

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Fatshaft

 

I personally wouldn't open anything - but some people have attempted to open quality establishments such as restaurants and have either had to close, or are struggling, because potential customers are afraid of those who frequent the bars and clubs.

The Parr Hall and Pyramid almost certainly also lose business for the same reason.

 

Actually, a couple of newsagents have open in the town centre in recent times, which is a bit surprising. But I don't suppose they stay open late.

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Fatshaft

 

I personally wouldn't open anything - but some people have attempted to open quality establishments such as restaurants and have either had to close, or are struggling, because potential customers are afraid of those who frequent the bars and clubs.

The Parr Hall and Pyramid almost certainly also lose business for the same reason.

 

Actually, a couple of newsagents have open in the town centre in recent times, which is a bit surprising. But I don't suppose they stay open late.

Utter nonsense. In fact see my thread on two town centre restaurants from a couple of weeks back, Baz even gave feedback on one, and it's doing tremendously well.

 

So it seems if the offering is right, people are not afraid to go, but if the offering is poor then the establishment can blame non-existent factors for their own failures.

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Can't argue with your logic Fatshaft, except to point out that at no time did I venture near to Bridge Street and that I parked right outside the front doors!! :D

 

Great restaraunt though..... going to take Mrs Baz again when she gets back from America!!

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Oh oh oh but you and I know that it's also happened in the uk and more than once. <_<

 

Law abiding citizens do not get shot by armed police over here Cleo.

 

Those who (for whatever reason) turn to crime and are involved in armed robberies, drug dealing and god knows what else know what they are doing and they choose to do it.

 

So if one day these scum finish up being shot by police because of their actions and the harm, fear or injuries they have inflicted upon others then it is their own bloody fault in my opinion and they sort of deserved it.

 

sorry if that offends anyone !

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No need to beg for my pardon Cleo but OK I shall rephrase, is this any better ? .... " 'very few' law abiding citizens have ever been shot by armed police over here".

 

Wasn't he living here illegally though and had been for a couple of years prior to his death as his visa had expired ? (not saying he should have been shot for that of course).

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No need to beg for my pardon Cleo but OK I shall rephrase, is this any better ? .... " 'very few' law abiding citizens have ever been shot by armed police over here".

 

Wasn't he living here illegally though and had been for a couple of years prior to his death as his visa had expired ? (not saying he should have been shot for that of course).

 

But that was probably why he ran thus making the police believe that he was a bad'un.

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He was running to catch his train, and just caught it in time. Unfortunately so did the police, who blasted several bullets into his head rather than attempting to arrest him. :?

No he wasn't. He was running after being requested to stop by police who were attempting to arrest him as a suspected terrorist.

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No he wasn't. He was running after being requested to stop by police who were attempting to arrest him as a suspected terrorist.

 

The shooting became particularly controversial because contemporaneous and later police and media accounts contradicted each other, specifically regarding Menezes's manner and clothing as he entered the station, and whether there had been any police warnings before the firing. The death sparked an intense public debate over an apparent change in police policy, in which a shoot-to-kill practice known as Operation Kratos had been introduced to deal with terrorist threats. Because of the controversy the codename "Operation Kratos" was dropped in 2007, but the policy continues.

 

On the day of the shooting, the police were hunting four men believed to be involved in the failed bombing attempts the day before. Intelligence had linked the men to a block of flats in Tulse Hill, south London, the same building in which Menezes was living. Police put the communal entrance under surveillance, and on the morning of the shooting, saw Menezes leave the building. Plain clothes officers, armed with pistols, followed him as he took a bus to Brixton tube station, before boarding another to Stockwell tube station because the tube station at Brixton was closed. Specialist firearms officers were called to Stockwell. Just after Menezes entered a train, several officers wrestled him to the ground and fired seven bullets into his head at point blank range. The train was still at the platform with its doors open, having just been evacuated by officers.

 

They didn't attempt to arrest him but followed him on two bus journeys so they could not have ordered him to stop and he would have no reason to believe they were police attempting to arrest him and thus had no reason to run away from them.

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