Dizzy Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 getting back to topic... The Libyan authorities have apparently apologised after the 'video footage emerged showing graves of British servicemen being vandalised by armed men in Benghazi' and have said they are stepping up patrols to protect the graves from further damage. Very nice but how on earth can you protect graves, lives or anything else form radical extremists. Surely the video footage itself, which is still being show by news channels after the militants posted their self filmed footage on the web, is just adding even more 'fuel to the fire'. Maybe if videos like this were promptly removed (where possible) from whatever source they are uploaded too or if others sources like the press/youtube etc refused to show them then the militants would not get the coverage they so clearly desire. I guess that would not sell papers though but in my opinion the press are just supplying these idiots with an endless amount of free fuel to keep their fire burning for years Same goes for the quaran burning... many of the images from that were appauling and included kids with bloodied faces or cowering behind walls whilst at the same time others hurling bricks and carrying guns. The word has gone completely bonkers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 What do you expect? Your dealing with folk with a mind set from the 7thC, and if these ignorant throwbacks ever get their hands on a nuke delivery system - the games up for us all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 Humph! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 What do you expect? Your dealing with folk with a mind set from the 7thC, and if these ignorant throwbacks ever get their hands on a nuke delivery system - the games up for us all. As much as I hate to agree with you Obs (although I would not have used those terms) it does seem that sooner or later it will probably come to that. It is clearly what many of these people spend their whole lives striving to achieve from a very early age and, for whatever reasons, they will never give up or change their views no matter how much intervention or so called help is offered to them. They have been born, bred, brainwashed and grown up with those views and within a society surrounded with these very same beliefs and as such they know nothing else. Very sad in some ways that kids and adults alike can live with such hatred and beliefs in their bones and very worrying we are their targets through no fault of our own either. Maybe we should have just left them all too it and not got involved in the first place as it's done no good anyway, but I guess it's far to late for that now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 Here's a (1st!) link to the story under discussion, and it suggests that the prime suspects are a group of "Islamist militia". http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/04/libya-war-graves-desecrated Bunch of nutters, 'nuff said. Oh, and kevo, have a word with yourself fella, we're trying to have a SERIOUS discussion here: youngsters can access this forum Youngsters can access practically anything on the web. Like Bill says, do you think they're at all interested in this kind of stuff against what's available out there? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 Observer I think your taking a very narrow and short term view of the situation there. Change doesn’t happen overnight and especially so when it comes to long held beliefs that have existed for centuries but change is happening and it’s probably for the good. In my experience of meeting people from other countries I find they’re much the same as us with the same concerns and aspirations for the future and most if not all of the problems are due to the counties politics. Continue offering help and support and eventually you be taking holidays there rather than worrying about a nuclear threat. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 I can half agree with that theory of secularisation/modernisation Bill; I've no doubt that initially, the Arab Spring was stimulated by young modernists (mainly City dwellers) using the internet, who aspire to become free secular democracies rather than bigoted theocracies. Unfortunately, they are outnumbered by those of the faith. And I don't reserve my venom for Muslims either; in Israel they've got right wing Zionist extremists pushing for conflict with Muslims; and of course, we have our own Protestant v Catholic nutters over here, some of who've not learned a thing after 30 years of carnage. Ultimately, the only way to deal with this is to secularise all public institutions and social life, which means turning off the educational tap that produces this outdated nonesense, and to cease this liberal nonesense of pandering to folk who wish to lead parrallel cultures within society, rather than being assimilated into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 Maybe we should have just left them all too it and not got involved in the first place as it's done no good anyway, but I guess it's far to late for that now. The wisest words I have read so far and from Dizzy. There have been one or two, maybe a few, references to being stuck in the 7th century. I wonder what centuary you would be stuck in (maybe the 1st) were it not for the inventions of the Egyptians? Do you realise the number of things in every day use and taken for granted without further thought have their origins in Egypt? Here are just a few :- Inventions relating to building include: The Pyramids, the development of tools to ensure a level base and the development of mortar and cement Producing custom-made bricks all of the same size to ensure the fast building of the capital of Akhetaten built in just 7 years by the heretic king Akhenaten, the father of Tutankhamen Arched ceilings developed by shaving the corners off stones to produce a vaulted structure Obelisks Man-made canals in order to transport building materials to the great building sites The use of organized labor and production line methods to create the great Egyptian monuments including the use of conscription and the supply of clothing and food for the builders The extensive use of rope made from hemp in construction techniques Surveying techniques Tunnelling techniques Scaffolding Inventions relating to the use of metal include: The development of iron works, copper and tin mines The development of Bronze by mixing tin and copper The construction and use of copper piping The replacement stone and wooden tools with metal tools for farming, hunting and weaponry The use of fine metal work in creating jewelry using newly invented chisels and needles Inventions relating to the interiors of buildings include: The vaulted ceiling effect Indoor lighting including candles and oil lamps The use of lighting to create specific visual effects Primitive air-cooling systems in palaces based on using water, sometimes in conjunction with cold air, to cool the brickwork of the buildings Locks and Keys Sundials, a primitive clock design, using a vertical stick called a gnomon to divide the day into 12 hours for the daytime and 12 hours for the night The concept of a master bedroom The Potter's Wheel leading to the fast production of pots and storage jars Glass Making - Glass was produced from a mixture of silica-sand, lime and soda. Ancient Egyptian paintings depict the glass blowing process Domestication of the Cat originally used for pest control Inventions relating to medicine include: Knowledge of human anatomy acquired from the mummification and embalming process The identification and naming of internal and external body parts The development of various surgical instruments Surgical techniques The practise of using specialists for treating specific ailments relating to the head, eyes, ears, the stomach and fertility. This also included dentists Antibiotics and other medicines for treating various diseases Egyptian doctors were known to have identified and documented hundreds of different illnesses. Inventions relating to writing and communications include: Hieroglyphics - an early writing system Pens Black Ink Calendar Paper manufactured from the fibers of the papyrus plant, hence the name papyrus Use of flags for construction projects The use of wills, marriage contracts and other legal documents Recording harvests and controlling food supply and distribution Documenting rainfall and water levels of the Nile Conducting census of the population A Postal system and the use of Carrier pigeons Maps Inventions relating to cosmetics, personal grooming and clothing include: Comb including use of a hot hair straightening comb Use of a form of henna for nail paint and hair coloring Scissors Wigs Cosmetics including eye makeup The black coloring used in Ancient Egyptian eye make up was achieved by the use of Kohl The green coloring was achieved by the use green pigment called malachite Ancient Egyptians used a type of rouge made from red ochre to stain their lips and cheeks Beauty shop and cosmetic manufacture Perfumes and deodorants. These were derived from flowers, plants, seeds. Perfumes were blended into creams made from animal fats and oils. The Ancient Egyptians also used myrrh, frankincense, cardamom and cinnamon to mix their perfumes Toothbrush & toothpaste Linen produced from flax which was combed and spun with a balance wheel on a spindle for spinning the thread from the flax Looms were developed Methods for fixing clothing dyes were invented Sandals made of palm fibre or braided papyrus High heeled shoes Inventions relating to farming include: Ox-Drawn Ploughs Sickle blades Irrigation systems Domestication of Cattle and the Donkey Beekeeping Zoos - these originated as exotic animals were hunted and captured as sacrifices to the gods Inventions relating to boats and ships include: Ships (rowed, single-sailed) Sails Rudder Canals Navy The Egyptians also invented condoms! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cleopatra Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 So your bored, so what? Don't want to know eh? Well tough sh1t! You owe a lot to the Egyptians, stuck in the 7th century or not. Flippin heck! I forgot to mention that the egyptians also invented that thing under your ass even as you are using your pc - the chair! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 But we're flying rockets now! The Islamic Caliphates were the most advanced civilizations to around the 11th C, however they didn't continue to progress after that period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted March 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 Flippin heck! I forgot to mention that the egyptians also invented that thing under your ass even as you are using your pc - the chair! Got mine from Ikea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 True Obs the stagnated under Islam, The Egyptians were a great civilisation of that there is no doubt. Have there been any great inventions since Egypt became Islamic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 True Obs the stagnated under Islam, The Egyptians were a great civilisation of that there is no doubt. Have there been any great inventions since Egypt became Islamic. Nile drinking?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted March 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 Greece invented money, but look at the mess they're in now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 Scoff as much as you like but the inventions of the ancient Egyptians include many that are essential to today's modern world. Where would you be without the wheel for instance? Still walking or maybe riding horses. So, we are flying rockets now....humm....How will it benefit you or I if a man is landed on mars What benefit has been gained by man landing on the moon? Zilch! You will be long gone, burned or rotted away in the ground, before any benefit will be gained, if ever. What is more, governments are squandering an uncountable amount of wealth flying their rockets. Enough money to eradicate poverty all over the world - west as wll as east. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 There have been countless benefits of man landing on the moon, or via the technology that helped to achieve it and the advancements by NASA since the landings anyway.... we also learned that a democratic government is superior to a communist one!! There are also a plethora of scientific facts gained about the moon; how if formed, is it still geologically active, origin of the craters, etc. 10 top space inventions: 10. Invisible Braces 9. Scratch-resistant Lenses 8. Memory Foam 7. Ear Thermometer 6. Shoe Insoles 5. Long-distance Telecommunications 4. Adjustable Smoke Detector 3. Safety Grooving on roads and runways 2. Cordless Tools 1. Water Filters Space travel is an investment in the future Cleo.... you don't have a baby and then expect it to go out and work for its keep the following day do you? The investments made over the past 40 odd years will benefit our kids and their kids and their kids.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 The English invented lager louts and are still top of the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 For goodness sake..... This topic was about the needless desecration of War graves due to an idiotic militant revenge attack 'possibly' caused by the the burning of the quaran but more likely because idiots like them like to do things like that for 'fun' or whatever reason they like to call it. ...and then the topic suddenly turned to how the Egyptians invented arched ceilings, chairs, canals, scaffolding, sun dials, domesticated cats... and a whole host of other things. So what and who really cares considering what is going on in the world ?? ... and then the topic changed to people landing on the moon (or was it the other way around) and god knows what else... ..... and now we are onto English lager louts. Yippee... define Britishness eh ? Mine's a couple of strong pints please so I get the nerve to say something that I might get banned for but can;t really be blamed for as I will say I was 'under the influence' PS Cleo I recon you are number one for knowing how to take a topic off track... and I thought I was good at it (unintentionally of course as I am thick) Typos.. not checked... and I don't really care anyway. Night all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 I learned from you Dizzy. You were a good teacher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 Not that bloody good Cleo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 You're never too old to learn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 oh! amended post! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 CBA as I learn far too much every day as it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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