observer Posted March 2, 2012 Report Share Posted March 2, 2012 Seems Pres. Sarkosi's attempt to bring in a law banning (Armenian) Holocaust Denial, has fallen at the level of the courts; who've ruled it contravenes a constitutional right of free speech. So I guess Judges can get it right occasionally! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 2, 2012 Report Share Posted March 2, 2012 Are you in Denial Obs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2012 Like how? The point is, that those who wish to deny historical facts, inspite of the evidence available, are perfectly at liberty in a free society, to do so. Imposition of thought by the State is basically an Orwellian concept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RingoDave Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 Exactly! People like that would have, and indeed did, make it illegal for Galileo to say that the Earth wasn't at the centre of the Universe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 People like who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 You?!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RingoDave Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 Sorry; I meant people who act like President Sarkozy has done, in attempting to prevent others from having an opinion of their own. He may be convinced that he is right and they are wrong, but the facts don't actually come into it. The authorities at the time of Galileo were absolutely sure that they were correct and he was not, but again, that isn't the point. One should be free to put forward one's point of view until it is proven to everyone's satisfaction to be incorrect. Hence the "Creationists" and the Flat Earth Society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 Agree - but even when scientific evidence contradicts an opinion, such as the Creationist Theory; they shouldn't be forced by the State to think otherwise. The way to challenge such ignorance, is by open discussion/debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RingoDave Posted March 10, 2012 Report Share Posted March 10, 2012 Thank you, observer. My point exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 10, 2012 Report Share Posted March 10, 2012 Have you ever tried to have a debate with a creationist. They have the same belief structure that makes Muslims blow themselves up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2012 Any form of brainwashing can be countered with time and logic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 10, 2012 Report Share Posted March 10, 2012 For that to happen Obs, the otherside need to have a manor of education, and to know what logic is. The words logic and creationist do not belong in the same sentence at the moment. Belief versus logic, Belief is nothing to do with logic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted March 10, 2012 Report Share Posted March 10, 2012 a manor of education, Would that be a school or university? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 10, 2012 Report Share Posted March 10, 2012 I'll leave that up to you Wolfie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted March 10, 2012 Report Share Posted March 10, 2012 Then again it might mean the playground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2012 Logic is the antedote for belief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 10, 2012 Report Share Posted March 10, 2012 Sorry Wolfie that does not count as I got my edit in before you got your post in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 10, 2012 Report Share Posted March 10, 2012 Blast you edited yor post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inky pete Posted March 10, 2012 Report Share Posted March 10, 2012 Have you ever tried to have a debate with a creationist. They have the same belief structure that makes Muslims blow themselves up. Well there do seem to be significantly fewer Creationists about - even amongst the congregations of churches - than there used to be. So either they have been blowing themselves up in large numbers (but quietly, so no-one has noticed!) or many of them have been persuaded by the evolutionary side of the debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 10, 2012 Report Share Posted March 10, 2012 You should go to the USA inky, they are growing in numbers and are getting into politics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted March 11, 2012 Report Share Posted March 11, 2012 Then again it might mean the playground. Or a grand country house. :grin: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted March 11, 2012 Report Share Posted March 11, 2012 You should go to the USA Mrs Baz is there at the moment.... all the more reason for me to be over here!! :grin: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted March 11, 2012 Report Share Posted March 11, 2012 Or a grand country house. :grin: Now you're thinking alg. thought I was the only one to notice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 11, 2012 Report Share Posted March 11, 2012 Has she access to your credit cards Baz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted March 11, 2012 Report Share Posted March 11, 2012 Seems Pres. Sarkosi's attempt to bring in a law banning (Armenian) Holocaust Denial, has fallen at the level of the courts; who've ruled it contravenes a constitutional right of free speech. So I guess Judges can get it right occasionally! I am sure Sarkosi's focus is on getting the large French/Jewish vote behind him for the forthcoming elections in which he is expected to be a lame duck...one of his main rivals is a far right politician. A bit of political expediancy by the slimy little frog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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