observer Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 Seems if your Scottish or an EU citizen, but not English, you can get a free Uni education in Scotland. The English have to pay £9,000 - such are the benefits of breaking up the UK! :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 Well in that case the UK government should create a "Scottish Tax" and stick 10% on any Scotsmans tax rate who works in England Ireland or Wales.... The Scottish parliament really are a bunch of gob sh**es at times. If they can afford to give selected discounts to foreigners over the English then it is about time we got shut of them.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 Obs the English are Eu citizens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 Obs the English are Eu citizens then why do our kids have to pay and yet people from Poland, France, Germany etc. do not? or is that yet another example of a benefit of us being in the UK (But only if you live anywhere but England as we pay for it all??) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 Obs did say "an EU citizen, but not English" to be fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted February 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 Yep - Kije is such a Europhile, he couldn't compute it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 Yep - Kije is such a Europhile, he couldn't compute it. You can get red carded for going in with both feet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inky pete Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 Obs the English are Eu citizens and are the EU planning to take any action against the Scots for this discrimination? .......thought not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted February 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 It's an example of the dowside of devolution and the break up of the UK - in one Town on the border, kids going to the same school from different sides of the river will face a different charge for their Uni education - crazy. One English kid, who's lived in Germany for a couple of years, will be allowed (through a loophole) to get a free Uni education in Scotland. Question is - if the Jocks can do it, why can't we. Also, if our Uni education is so attractive to foreigners; why arn't we charging them (EU citizens included) a fortune for the privilage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 It's an example of the dowside of devolution and the break up of the UK - in one Town on the border, kids going to the same school from different sides of the river will face a different charge for their Uni education - crazy. One English kid, who's lived in Germany for a couple of years, will be allowed (through a loophole) to get a free Uni education in Scotland. Question is - if the Jocks can do it, why can't we. Also, if our Uni education is so attractive to foreigners; why arn't we charging them (EU citizens included) a fortune for the privilage? I suppose you could if you are happy to move your English 'kid' (as you call it) to Germany for a couple of years then return and hopefully get him/her a place in a Scot's University. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted February 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 Presume the kid they interviewed, had parents working in Germany? Given that some parents move house and change religion nowadays, to get little Jonny into "the best" school; the same folk will no doubt, try moving home to Scotland to get him a free Uni place! :wink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inky pete Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 Question is - if the Jocks can do it, why can't we. Simply because the share of total UK tax revenue doled out per head of population is much higher in Scotland than anywhere else. The Scots know that they are being heavily subsidised - so they'll never vote for independence while that situation continues! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2012 Which was the idea behind the "Barnett Formula", to transfer wealth from the geographically rich areas to the poorest areas; but it seems to have been scotched by the Tories. Perhaps if the N/West went for "independence", they might start bribing us too?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 2, 2012 Report Share Posted March 2, 2012 The English students having to pay is nothing to do with the Eu, and all to do with our own government Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2012 Perhaps you should explain fully - if EU law allows EU states cheaper access to Scottish Unis; presumably that's co EU law applies to indepenent EU states? England isn't an independent EU state, so presumably that's why we don't qualify. Which suggests, that we'd be better off giving Scotand it's independence?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inky pete Posted March 2, 2012 Report Share Posted March 2, 2012 We'd be far better off - right up until the day the Scots government goes bankrupt and we get another couple of million foreigners moving here to claim benefits! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 2, 2012 Report Share Posted March 2, 2012 For the record I am against Scots inderpedence, It was the UK government that introduced student fees, not the Eu, I find it farsicle that you are trying to blame the Eu. It was our own government that disadvantaged our students. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2012 Not disagreeing with that; merely the anomoly of the English being charged when the rest of the EU arn't. Apparently the UK is a worldwide attraction for higher education, so perhaps we should be making the money out of overseas students rather than our own? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted March 3, 2012 Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 It isn't the fault of the EU that the Scots are charging the English students and yet allowing every other EU citizen free education, however it is the fault of the EU that they are allowed to get away with it because surely it breaches a few EU dictats on equality etc??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 3, 2012 Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 No it is not the fault of the the Eu, it's the fault of our government, for taking the piss ut of it own people and allowing them to become exploited in higher education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted March 3, 2012 Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 Then what is needed is a test case at the European Court of Human Rights to see why a student in England must pay . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 3, 2012 Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 I agree wavy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 I was hopeing our resident Europhile would be able to explain the legal reasons for this anomoly; I'm just guessing that in EU eyes, both Scotland and England are part of one Nation - the UK; which makes the differential an internal matter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 3, 2012 Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 Perhaps Observer would like to explain who introduced student fees, The Eu or the UK government. I think you will find it was nothing to do with the EU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 OBviously the UK Gov, but that's not the issue. The issue is, why the Jocks are charging the English but not the Poles etc? And you've still not explained this anomoly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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