Lt Kije Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 With respect Baz I think you are missing the point, the French have signed up to the ECHR, why in their country have they no problems with it while in this country we have? In fact most Countries do not seem to have the same problems as we do, the question should be why?, and what are we doing wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 With respect Baz I think you are missing the point, the French have signed up to the ECHR, why in their country have they no problems with it while in this country we have? In fact most Countries do not seem to have the same problems as we do, the question should be why?, and what are we doing wrong? Over here, they read the small print and doff their caps. In Europe they interpret things that best suit their country and their "people". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted April 6, 2012 Report Share Posted April 6, 2012 Fair point Peter, and you may well be right, but is it the fault of the ECHR, I think not. It is our fault. So surely we should be sorting out our legal profession out, and not blaming the act itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted April 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2012 The ECHR was Churchill's brainchild, created to prevent a repetition of the holocaust etc; unfortunately now drifted into abuse by the likes of Abu Qatada and illegal immigrants in the UK; and largely ignored by most of it's signatories (particularly Russia) whilst being complied with to the letter by the UK. Simple solution would be to revoke our membership of this Treaty and set up our own bill of rights, with the UK Supreme Court as the highest legal body to be complied with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted April 6, 2012 Report Share Posted April 6, 2012 Obs, it is a complete lie when you say most ignore it, Russia does ignore some not all, don't forget I watched the program as well, stick to facts not propaganda. The question is why does the UK seem to have more problems with the act then the rest of Europe, I think the problem lies within our own legal profession and not the act itself. As you pointed out the French had no problem getting rid of their unwanted, what has gone wrong here. It is easy to blame the act, in my opinion that's just taking the easy way out. What did the French do that we did not? And can we learn from the French? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted April 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2012 Well, there's a classic example of your rose coloured glasses syndrome: "we both watched the same programme"; in which it stated quite clearly that many of the ECHR signatories are NOT complying with it's rulings, indeed there is a huge backlog of Russian cases, or did you have your cloth ears on for that one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted April 6, 2012 Report Share Posted April 6, 2012 Is many the same as most, you used the word most in your first post Obs, the vast majority of the Countries don't ignore the ECHR, Russia does ignore alot of it rulings, with alot of the old eastern block Countries ignoring some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted April 6, 2012 Report Share Posted April 6, 2012 and france! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted April 6, 2012 Report Share Posted April 6, 2012 Did France ignore the ECHR Baz? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted April 6, 2012 Report Share Posted April 6, 2012 yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted April 6, 2012 Report Share Posted April 6, 2012 The cases in France, did not go anywhere near the ECHR Baz, I got this from googling, As I did not no if they had, and choose this link deliberately http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2125286/As-France-summarily-kicks-extremists-Dave-learn-ruthless-savvy-Sarko.html Like I said it not the act itself but how it is used in this Country, The French can do it why can't we. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted April 6, 2012 Report Share Posted April 6, 2012 They did not go near the ECHR Kije because the French did not let them..... the offending muslims were kicked out quicker than you could say "allahs snackbar" If it had gone anywhere near the ECHR, they would have been safe in a flat in Paris plotting a terrorist attrocity no doubt. This country has become weak thanks to the likes of the liberal classes that now run it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 Just when do you think we became weak Baz? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 I have no idea when the rot started Kije; but this wouldn't have happened in the 40's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 So how do you know we are weaker, In the 40's Baz we still thought we were better than everyone else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 Just when do you think we became weak Baz? When the Common Market (which was a good idea) slowly evolved into the European Union/Federation and are successive Governments capitulated. And by the way, if what you say is true about the 40's why did it take the Germans 60 odd years to invade this country???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 In the late 40s Peter, We still had the empire attitude , but what was left of the Empire were preparing to leave. Winston was very big on Empire and wanted to keep it, but came under alot of pressure from the Americans during the War to let it go. The Empire attitude being, We are Gods chosen ones, and altogether better than everyone else. The Germans have not invaded this Country, but if you look at Germany their government has invested in heavy industry, they produce good engineers all thanks to their government investing in German companies, not like are own governments over the years who have sold off are industry, we under value engineers and would rather send kids to do Media studies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 Medea study :grin: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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observer Posted April 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 In 1940 Kije we proved we were better than the Germans, and they never forgave us for it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 In 1940 Obs, The whole of Europe was being stuffed by Germany. Did you not mean 1944 when the Allies beat them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted April 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 Think WE beat them in September 1940, by not allowing them into the UK, thanks to RAF fighter command. Unfortunately we've lost all that now, no thanks to the UK border force! :wink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 Kije..... you puzzle me; you say that the British had the "we are better than everyone else or we are the best in the world" attitude... What would you have us think, from a country which invented just about everything invented in the 1800's and the first hal of the 1900's? Would you have us all say that we are crap? that the French are better than us? The Germans? The Turks? Do you think that the Germans say things like "We are great.... but them British are a lot better than us"? You really are a treacherous dog Kije..... In the 1940's you would have been interred and an outcast for doing your country down like that. If you don't like it, bugger off to Goa or Brussels..... both are third world in comparisson to this sceptered Isle! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted April 8, 2012 Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 Treacherous dog :lol: I never said we were worse than anyone else Baz, that's you read with rose coloured glasses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted April 8, 2012 Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 government has invested in heavy industry, they produce good engineers all thanks to their government investing in German companies, not like are own governments over the years who have sold off are industry Under EU rules and regulations, governments are not allowed to invest in any private companies Kije..... you should know that. I do agree with your last bit about the likes of engineers being undervalued. We need mechanics, plumbers, electricians..... not university graduates by the bucketful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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