Dizzy Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Dizz, The object of the exercise was to find out what the building was!. Yes I realise that so no need to shout at me Algy wasn't looking specifically for William Jeffs, I was just needing a name at that point in Chester Road hoping that once I had found someone in the 1881 census I could then scroll along the pages using the next or previous household button. I would have settled for 'Donald Duck. as long as he lived in Leigh Villas. In the Family Search 1881 it says he lives in Leigh Villas, Walton Inferior, Cheshire, England. I get what you were doing now . Not may Chester Roads on the 1881 but loads on the 1871 Do you happen to have a map that shows the area with the actual roads names on from the 18?? to 1881 as I can't find one anywhere or do you know where Chester Road actually started and finished as like I say there are loads on the 1871 but then they seem to disappear then come back I;m tired can you tell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Algy... soz I just noticed you have changed your earlier post and added some pics of Leigh Villa's and Tom P's Bridge. Any idea what year the LV's one is please? Also Latchford History Group may know the answer as they have loads of photo's and info so maybe worth asking them. Yeah I know its not Latchford but they have loads of Stockton Heath etc too if I remember rightly from their open day Whatever the damn building is it MUST be recorded somewhere cos if it was a business it would be listed and it it was a house we should be able to find it unless they were awkward buggers and pretended they were out everytime the sensus bods called. Bit like me and the Jehovas now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Yes I realise that so no need to shout at me Algy I get what you were doing now . Not may Chester Roads on the 1881 but loads on the 1871 Do you happen to have a map that shows the area with the actual roads names on from the 18?? to 1881 as I can't find one anywhere or do you know where Chester Road actually started and finished as like I say there are loads on the 1871 but then they seem to disappear then come back I;m tired can you tell I'm not shouting at you Dizz, I'm only too pleased that your trying to help! anyway I was told that THIS IS SHOUTING on the internet,so how about if I whisper,unfortunately no I don't have any or access to any maps of that area with names on, that's what's 'bugging' me I don't know where 'New Road' starts and ends, Chester road ran from Wilderspool past the Stag and continues towards Chester the way it always did. have a look at the map below, I have an idea New Road is the lane cutting across the fields to Walton Villas and Rose Cottage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 AARGH *note census schedule is the route the enumerator walked on the day apparently 1861 Census by schedule number goes 1 -20 Northwich Road 21 - 28 Wilderspool 29 - 36 Northwich Road 37 - 68/69? Chester Road 70 London Bridge 74 - Birchdale 1871 census by schedule number goes 1 - 38 Northwich Road 39 - 75 Chester Road 76 - Northwich Road 81 - Birchdale 1881 census by schedule number goes shite I've lost my 1881 bit of paper now but I think it started with Tower House, Walnut Tree House an Irish House and the Cliffe View which would be near the Stag maybe? and now I may just be imagining it... so ignore 1881 until tomorrw Algy... the other two are right though. Sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Dizz, I'm 'well' impressed, how the heck have you found the route the enumerator walked collecting the census information, do you have the census information on cd or do you just have paid access to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 How did I find it... clearly I'm not old enough to have followed them with my camera and note book (although I do feel that old today) I though you knew I had access to all the census records Algy as how else would I know all these useless facts about people, although I did wonder why you asked on rootschat for someone to find you a person living in Leigh Villas. I thought you had fallen out with me or something I have full access to all the records on ancestry.co.uk and I also have full access to all the records on findmypast.co.uk (that expires in April eek). I have both as the latter is better when you don't know who you are looking for or are looking for marriages and parish records etc and for census returns you can search on street name or area eg Warrington/Lower Walton/occupation etc although sometimes you have to be a little clever as names/roads/areas etc are transcribed incorrectly or they are in the 'others'. FMP also has the full handwritten original returns for the 1911 census too which were filled in by the homeowner. I;ve got the one my great grandad wrote and it's nice to see his own writing. It's a bit costly having two memberships but like I say one is better for some things and the other is better for others so the two work great alongside each other. So.....back to our mission impossible...do you want the handwritten 1881 full census (or others) for Walton Superior/Inferior or elsewhere as I can download, save and email each page for you if it will help and keep you busy. You can then walk the walk too and maybe you will spot all the things I missed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 So.....back to our mission impossible...do you want the handwritten 1881 full census (or others) for Walton Superior/Inferior or elsewhere as I can download, save and email each page for you if it will help and keep you busy. You can then walk the walk too and maybe you will spot all the things I missed Yes please! Dizz, that would be smashing, thank you. :grin: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 It will take me a while as I'll have to save one page at a time so be patient....do you just want walton inferior or superior too? Let me knw as it's no prob and you can see all the Greenalls who were in on the night too ha ha in the mean time..... I think I've sussed out New Road and the way the idiot enumerator with the bad handwriting walked. In the old map of 1882 if you find Walton House (scheule 6), New Road is the road near that which goes past towards Rose Cottage(schedule 10). There are two more schedules after Rose Cottage and they must have been the boundary of Walton Inf(schedule 11 and 12), and he then walked down to Chester Road (boundary) where the first house was (ien near Tom P's bridge (schedule 13) Chester Road, John Tattershall Cunliffe and family, master tanner employing 24 men Here they are briefley if it's any use WALTON INFERIOR - 1881 Schedule 1 - Tower House ?Farm? 2 - Walnut Tree Farm 2a - ??Irish House, Walnut Tree?? - John Godfrey etc 3 - ??Bacouet?? (god knows)??? Farm 3a - Irish House at above farm 4 - Cliff View, Joseph Whitfield a54 5 - Pool Farm 6 - Walton House 7 - 8 New Road 9 - York House 10 - Rose Cottage, New Road 11 - New Road 12 - New Road U (uninhabited) 13 - Chester Road - John Tattersall Cunliffe, master tanner empl. 24 men 13 - (maybe a) which I cant read but looks like 'House in ?field? ?Coachmans? Alfred Porter? a 30 Groom and Mary Porter wife. Probably anther Irish House 14 - U - uninhabited 15 - Legh Villas - your Mrs Jeffs ... ps it is shown as Legh and not Leigh 16 - Chester Road - Alfred George Gosling 17 - Chester Road - Mary Riley 18 - 22) Chester Road 23 - Cress Brook House, Chester Road 24 - Chester Road 25 - 26 Walton Village 27 Pool Bridge 28 - 29 Morley common 30 - Lawrinsons? Brow 31 - Walton Village 32 - Lawrinsons? Brow 33 - 39 - Walton Village 40 Chester Road John & Elis Moss? and Elizabeth Molyneaus (servant) 41 - 47 Chester Road 48 - The Stag pub 19 - 52 Walton Village 54 Ford? House 55 Mill Place 56 - 57 Pool Place 58 - 61 Brook Place 62 - 64 Walton Village 65 - 68 New Road 69 - 70 Walton Village 71 - 78 Lawrinsons? Brow again ... ps 73 has the Toft's, you'll remember them 79 Looks like 'House of Content or Consent' with a Thomas Ward 45 and family 80 - 88 Walton Village 89 - U (uninhabited) 90 - blank 92 - 94 Lawrinsons? Brow 95 - 99 Red Lane 100 - Red Lane Bridge 101 = The Cou?? U (unocupied) 102 - The Cou ? ocupied 103 - The Cou? U (unocupied) 104 - Brook House *** end of walton inferior Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Dizz, don't bother with Walton Superior just Inferior will do, it will give me something to focus on, during the winter evenings. No rush, seriously in your own time, I know how busy you are!. The info you have supplied so far has wetted my appetite. The 'House of Content' is still there, with the plaque if I remember correctly above the door, you go down Taylor Street and as you enter Baronet Road that leads up to Solavy's works the cottage is on the right hand side. Thanks Dizz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 1881 for Walton Inferior just sent Algy in two parts. Only took me ten mins after all so sorry for the needless wait although it took similar time to email them cos of my slow 10 meg connection. Hope you get them ok if not I will split them down further Let me know if you want any other years or anything else as I dont mind at all. Going off topic a bit I suppose but why was the 'House of Content' called that as it seems an odd name ? I might have a wander past tomorrow for a nosey just to cure my curiosity. It's done well to last for 131 years without being knocked down though and if it;s got a plaque it must have been 'special'. Is it listed or something ? Yep another 'Dizzy needs to know again' moment.... sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 He used to collect Volvo's. Had a yard full of them. Can't for the life of me remember his name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 Blummin' heck Peter I never realised you were around in 1881, you are definately the oldest forum member then that's for sure. Front page for you tomorrow if Gary is still reading PS can't have been volvos though as they weren't aroung then were they . . . . . . . . I'M JOKING Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 1881 for Walton Inferior just sent Algy in two parts. Only took me ten mins after all so sorry for the needless wait although it took similar time to email them cos of my slow 10 meg connection. Hope you get them ok if not I will split them down further Let me know if you want any other years or anything else as I dont mind at all. Going off topic a bit I suppose but why was the 'House of Content' called that as it seems an odd name ? I might have a wander past tomorrow for a nosey just to cure my curiosity. It's done well to last for 131 years without being knocked down though and if it;s got a plaque it must have been 'special'. Is it listed or something ? Yep another 'Dizzy needs to know again' moment.... sorry Thanks for the Census returns, Dizz everything came over OK, not sure why they called it that. The plaque if I remember correctly is out of carved stone set in the centre of the front wall. Map 1967. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Sid Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 It would all depend on the type of content it contained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 Makes you wonder eh ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 Thanks for the map Algy. Bit more useless Dizzy info here.... I google street walked it found the house. Looks like a nice house and interesting plaque and there’s a head above the door but alas when you zoom into have a closer it's hard to read but definately didn't look like it said 'house' and looked more like 'cottage' On the 1911 census it is actually referred to as the 'Cottage of Content' I'm intrigued and wondered about going and knocking on the door tomorrow to ask the homeowner but my other half recons they will think I'm a right weirdo. Guess he;s probably right so I wont Of course none of this is relevant to the building but nor is the fact that I've spent the chilly afternoon pondering about Tom Bloody Paines Bridge, its location, the images on your two earlier photos of TP's B and Leigh Villas and trying to get my bearings (which I've still not managed to do), not your illusive building which I don't think we will ever find..... or will we ? I've looked at so many old maps and census records I feel like I have now gone back in time and am stuck there for eternity. I need to get my bearings on the other two pics of TP's Bridge and Leigh V's in relation to the illusive building and which way around they are. Where and what is the building with the advert on the side is in one of your past topics you mention Leigh Villas having an advert on the side but the pics gone now. In the pic of leigh villas I can see the building with an advert but is clearly different one. Arrgh I'm losing the plot and hate giving up or being confused. Algy please can you upload the pic again which was on the topic 'where is this bridge' and the answer was tom paines. I guess it's kept me quiet today though and hey I now know when my house was built but alas a few years too late for the 1911 census. Am I right in thinking that Tom Paines bridge was pretty much in alignment with what is now Walton Heath Road and looking from the Ellesmere Road side it would have been roughly at the top right corner of the land at that bottom of greenalls ave which is now top right corner of the old cement works site and that Leigh Villas would have been to the left of the bridge and pretty much where they are going to be building the new houses where your sewer pipes were photographed. The land used to owned by Anne Grime by the way and the land for the 6 cottages to the right(which I think are be the listed ones at the bottom of Greenalls Ave) was owned by a Charles Bate and Thomas LEIGH on the old tithe maps of 1836 to 1851. He (or one of his relatives with the same name at the time) occupoed one of them according to the tith maps. On the 1851 census of the same time it lists them as being in the Parish of Appleton in the village of Wilderspool. I wonder if he then acquired the other land of Ms Grime and built Leigh Villas or perhaps they were names after him. I guess we will never know and can someone please tell me to shut up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 Dizz, Hope this does not confuse you any more, by my reckoning, Leigh (Legh) Villas would have been opposite you and where the canal is, probably towards the opposite bank from Ellesmere Road. The only reference I can find on the net is here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Paine Thomas Paine, no definite connection with Warrington although he did have some form of contact with John Aikin (Warrington Academy) he also designed the single span bridge at Sunderland, not sure why our bridge was named after him though, unless there was a local man with the same name?. Photo Blue 'X' Advertisement - Dolands? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 Thanks Algy, I'm still a little lost but I'm sure after another decaf coffee I will find my bearings One things confusing me though as you show Leigh Villas to have been roughly on the Ellesmere side of the MSC canal bank near to 74 Ellesmere but on the two maps I overlayed they do line up as being on the cement works site where they are digging now. Here's my maps again (newer one one is pink and older one is blue) and everythings is lined up by the roads, lines, fences, stag etc and they do overlay and match easily (or so I think) and yet the villas finish up where I just said. How is that and what am I doing wrong I need something else to distract me to take my mind of 'this' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 Thanks Algy, I'm still a little lost but I'm sure after another decaf coffee I will find my bearings One things confusing me though as you show Leigh Villas to have been roughly on the Ellesmere side of the MSC canal bank near to 74 Ellesmere but on the two maps I overlayed they do line up as being on the cement works site where they are digging now. Here's my maps again (newer one one is pink and older one is blue) and everythings is lined up by the roads, lines, fences, stag etc and they do overlay and match easily (or so I think) and yet the villas finish up where I just said. How is that and what am I doing wrong I need something else to distract me to take my mind of 'this' I don't think you are doing anything wrong Dizz, I did say though on the bank opposite Ellesmere Road, not on the Ellesmere Road side and it is only my guess, you are probably correct. I have just noticed I have marked the Red 'X' on the wrong side of the canal, Sorry!. - what am I like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 you daft bugger... I bet you did that on purpose just to confuse me even more I think I've finally got my bearings now, ta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazza Posted April 15, 2012 Report Share Posted April 15, 2012 Re second photo taken from here, this was taken on the opposite side of the bridge looking towards St Thomas' church. The advertisement is on the end house of river view. Best Regards Gazza Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted April 15, 2012 Report Share Posted April 15, 2012 Blummin' heck I'm confused again now Gazza Algy... can you please at leat put 'photo 2' back on your ealier post (of 13 February) as I can see the map that mentions it but you seem to have moved or deleted your actual photos that the map refers too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazza Posted April 15, 2012 Report Share Posted April 15, 2012 This is the second Photo marked on the map as taken from here red X. It must have been taken on the opposite side of the canal and the opposite side of the bridge or you wouldn't be able to see the church. Most of the photos that claim to show Toms bridge when the ship canal is being cut must be showing something else. Best regards Gazza I hope I got uploading the picture right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 Blummin' heck I'm confused again now Gazza Algy... can you please at leat put 'photo 2' back on your ealier post (of 13 February) as I can see the map that mentions it but you seem to have moved or deleted your actual photos that the map refers too. Dizz, I have reinstated both photos, fight it out amongst yourselves for the moment :wink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazza Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 Yikes I don't want to fight. I'm just obsessed with the old quay canal and lumb brook, having lived on top of one or the other all my life. Kind regards Gazza Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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